Or treadmill miles
Illinois 73, Syracuse 44 Postgame
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I was thinking about the 3 shot. Yes, I have more time on my hands than I should. Maybe all of you folks way smarter than me have thought the following for a long time and I'm just catching up. But, when players are practicing their shooting most every 3 is the same shot. Whereas, when practicing shots inside the arc they have so many more options to practice; pull-ups, dribble drive to the hoop, turnarounds, etc. The practice efficiency is probably much better with the 3. I certainly prefer watching a well rounded balanced team creating offense, but I understand the attraction and confidence in the 3.
Thanks for doing the google that I was too lazy to do
. Pretty crazy that 3 freshman are in our top 5 this far into the season(even taking into account competition/sample size). Imagine they fall back to earth some once B10 season starts up(hope I'm wrong!) and Mayer, RJ and Goode overtake some of them, but the fact they have all shown the ability to knock them down makes our later-season potential....exciting. A line-up where only Dain/Rodgers isn't a threat from 3 gives us a lot of flexibility and potential firepower.By the end of last season, we hardly had any guards. Curbelo was basically not functioning the whole season. Trent played hurt all season and at the end of year had an eye infection, which makes it tough to make shots (to put it mildly). Basically, we had Plummer as the only healthy legitimate guard. And he was barely 6' with mediocre handles.
Hard to judge last year's team with the ridiculous number of injuries we had.
Plummer was definitely forcing shots in the Houston game and I didn't blame him for that plus he did make some tough 3 pointers. I miss his long range offense (but not his defense) and I hope Goode comes back soon.
What are you talking about we had no guards at the end of the season. We had Coleman Hawkins.
nice game but,,,,,
did anybody but me think Hawkins could have had another 5- 2 pt'ers from
12 feet in the center of the lane in the first half?
did anybody but me think Hawkins could have had another 5- 2 pt'ers from
12 feet in the center of the lane in the first half?
3 of the 5 triple doubles in Illini history have been in the Underwood era. I love our coach.
Yeah, if this season keeps heading south…and IF there is a next season that looks anything like this one or worse…their AD really might have to grow a pair…and ask
him to step down.
I don’t’ wanna sound like an ageist D-bag, because everybody gets old; and I’m no spring chicken myself…but
if the guy is picking his nose and peeing his
pants on the sideline…(yes, there’s a video of that too.) Then somebody outta step in.
I know he’s been there since Jesus was a baby…and essentially IS Syracuse basketball at this point…but it looks like it’s
time. He might surprise me, but I don’t think he’s gonna leave on his own.
He’s trying to make Sox fans miss TLR.
Is there really video of him wetting himself???
pruman91
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if there is video that would be the full enbodiment of streaming video.......
That ain’t no spilled water bottle.
Honestly, though I find the nose picking WAY more egregious. He can be in control of that at least.
Here’s another nose pick shot!
That means it’s a pattern/habit.
The incontinence stuff…he is a prostate cancer survivor so I don’t wanna be too big of a jerk about that one.
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Depends.
The reason for the stationary 3s in practice because a very very high percentage of threes they are going to take in a game are spot up 3s and not off the dribble.
And Luke Goode at the 2.What are you talking about we had no guards at the end of the season. We had Coleman Hawkins.
The Syracuse zone was the reason Coleman got the triple double. He’s the first Illini big that I can remember that actually understands that the way to break that zone is to flash the high post in the middle. He actually is the point guard in that situation. Once he gets the ball there the offense runs through him. So refreshing to watch that after years of watching our team not understanding a zone. So fun to watch!
Syracuse is not good. What happened to that program? They used to have some studs. I think about time for Boeheim to call it a career. The entire ACC is pretty bad this year. Good win even when having a hard time hitting the side of a barn. Hope the free throw shooting does not come back to bite them down the road.
I was hoping you would answer my question. It makes sense to me that players would become very comfortable with the shot. Would you say that practicing spot up shots from 3 is more muscle memory practice than reactionary practice like a scrimmage? Do coaches encourage most guys to focus more on jump shots from distance?
I think that's true for a lot of teams that play a zone, including Syracuse, at least historically. They will try to jump passing lanes if you get too aggressive making longer passes when reversing the ball or going diagonally but they don't apply a ton of pressure otherwise. I've accidentally watched a couple of their games this year and will echo what a couple of other folks have said about their shape being different this year than it has been in the past. They always moved their baseline guys up to cover the wings, but when I've watched them they've been super aggressive about sneaking an extra guy up the gut to try and pick off ball reversals. No idea if that's intentional or if it's just a matter of Mintz and Williams freelancing, which wouldn't surprise me given the lack of discipline I saw last night.
A few random thoughts:
1. We somehow managed to score 1.09 points per possession on 36% shooting, which is kind of wild. (In fairness it would've been 1.03 had they not given us four points on the garbage time technicals, but points is points.) On some level I think that the shooting performance and lack of turnovers are related, especially in the first half. We really didn't attack much, which I think was partially by design. It seemed like we were being really cautious on our ball reversals and wound up with guys holding it 25+ feet from the basket a lot, which cut off passing lanes and allowed SU to rotate pretty effectively. My guess is that we had scouted their plan to create turnovers by jumping that pass and were being overly cautious trying to avoid it. When we started to click in the second half it seemed like we were running shorter passes through Coleman in the high post and really took away what they were trying to do.
2. I didn't have a problem with the volume of threes we shot last night, though I think at times and especially in the first half we could have found some better threes to shoot. We wound up scoring .93 points for every two we shot and .85 per every three, which is pretty close to even, I think. Syracuse was doing what Syracuse does, which is collapse in the paint and make it difficult to make the extra pass on the perimeter in order to bait you into taking long or out of rhythm threes. Clark, Epps, and Mayer took that bait a few times in the first half, but I think we were really good about being patient and getting good shots in the second.
3. Stating the obvious, a great performance on D. SU isn't a great team but we held them to 0.66 PPP and no single player had a good game. I kinda think they rubbed us the wrong way a bit and we made them stick the ball where the sun don't shine as a matter of principle. I love this team when they're angry.
4. Dain struggled a bit against better athletes again. I kind of like him coming off the bench because of this, he's got maybe the biggest gap in performance when looking at the quality of defender he's matched up with of anyone on this team and I think we'll get the most out of him running against backup centers. I'm hoping he improves and this becomes less of a thing, but he can still be really valuable as an elite bumslayer. Like I said, points is points...
I liked what I saw, ugly as it might have seemed. Can't wait for Friday.
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