MDchicago
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Just to inject a little positivity, the draft notes on TSJ indicate he has 3 main things he needs to improve:
1. Ballhandling
2. Perimeter shooting
3. Finishing with his right hand
I expect to see marked improvement in these areas, given that is what he needs to work on in order to get drafted. If he can improve the ballhandling even just a smidge, he could help out a ton in this one area that a lot of us feel we're sorely lacking. They did have him bring the ball up plenty last year and he wasn't dreadful at it. As much as he had the ball in his hands (which was a ton, probably nearly EVERY possession I would guess), he only had a 14% turnover rate. For comparison's sake, turnover rates for last season's Bob Cousy award finalists:
Markquis Nowell 19%
Tyler Kolek 18%
Boo Buie 13%
Jalen Pickett 13%
Yuri Collins 25%
1. Ballhandling
2. Perimeter shooting
3. Finishing with his right hand
I expect to see marked improvement in these areas, given that is what he needs to work on in order to get drafted. If he can improve the ballhandling even just a smidge, he could help out a ton in this one area that a lot of us feel we're sorely lacking. They did have him bring the ball up plenty last year and he wasn't dreadful at it. As much as he had the ball in his hands (which was a ton, probably nearly EVERY possession I would guess), he only had a 14% turnover rate. For comparison's sake, turnover rates for last season's Bob Cousy award finalists:
Markquis Nowell 19%
Tyler Kolek 18%
Boo Buie 13%
Jalen Pickett 13%
Yuri Collins 25%
You could replace that pic with literally any coach.
Interesting stat.
Feedback was pretty obvious.
FWIW we seemed to go long periods of time where we did not get him any touches in places to drive or attack close outs or shoot.
He was terribly under utilized.
Big Jack
- Decatur
I would agree but then again I blame a lot of that inability on our players on the floor. I am not a BB savant but imho we clogged the lane way to much with our lack of movement at times. Of course that happens when you have to many guys willing to settle for chucking 3s. Smart teams sag off and thus the lane becomes a congested mess. Making the other team respect their man and getting better movement from DD and co hawk would make it a lot easier for TSJ to drive.
I think that we would slide DGL to backup PG.
Big Jack
- Decatur
I would love to see us add another experienced PG. But I would honestly love to see more Ty at that spot. I honestly believe his ball handling is sufficient and he has the size to abuse some smaller PGs. Yes his free throw shooting would need to improve but he is very good at backing down a defender. Can he run the offense? Can he get the ball to shooters or players in the right spots? No better chance to see and find out then a road trip to Spain this summer. Give him the keys and see what happens.
Not a bad idea to try him out on the Spain trip as I think Williams probably is not available for that trip given his injury recovery timing. But, looking at the situation overall, it is very concerning that the team expected to challenge for a BigTen title might be in a position to try out a guy that to my knowledge has no previous PG experience and established himself last year as a fierce rebounder with a nose for the ball underneath. With the Harmon eligibility in question, that leave DGL as the backup? Not an ideal situation for a team trying to establish chemistry for a run at the B10 and hopefully more. Hopefully someone steps up (TSJ? Harmon?) and eases concerns at the position. There are many examples of great teams in the past that have not had a prototypical point but have had great success.
I don’t see this happening but Imagine 5’11” Braden Smith trying to guard Ty Rodgers.
Hansberry is absolutely a Big. Watch him play. He doesn't move nearly well enough to play on the perimeter. There's a reason everyone lists him as either a C or PF.
The guys you lists as Big Wings are all Bigs in college basketball. While Guerrier has played some SF, he wasn't nearly as good there as when he played the 4.
Love Ty, and he could be great this year, but Rodgers really needs those around him to be able to hit 3's if he's going to be some form of PG for us. Teams will sag off of him and help out in the lane if we shoot like we did last year. Hard to copy PSU and Pickett from last year if Rodgers and his teammates can't shoot it.
Well DGL is a 6 foot PG. and you can throw Johnson in the camp that can play PG too
Today is a really good day for Brooks…..lol
Still not convinced the PG play will be good enough to get us where I expect us to go in Year 7 of our $5M (top 10 money nationally) coach’s tenure
Don’t get me started on this one lol
pruman91
- Paducah, Ky
Missed who this Johnson is, can someone repeat?
Top-50 6’5” combo guard recruit. Decommitted from Kansas after they recruited over him in the portal.
theNewGuy
- Dallas, TX
I think this is a great point but I think it's less about turnovers and more about predictability.
I didn't play basketball growing up so I'm not going to pretend to really know much... but there was a lot of talk last year about not being able to set pick and rolls.
If you have a average true PG who can run say 10 different offensive packages effectively versus an Elite player who is not a true PG who can run 4 different offensive packages effectively, the offense run by the true point guard will be much harder to defend and often times more successful.
I played hockey so the only times we had set offense was on the powerplay and if you couldn't adapt to how the penalty killers played, then you wouldn't have any success.
EDIT: This isn't really critiquing the poster but kinda went on my own point if TSJ has to play point guard.
You need it all.
Shooters, ball screen action ability, penetrators. Missing any of those and you become limited.
https://fivethirtyeight.com/feature...d-role-hack-sticking-two-guys-in-the-corners/
Bryce Hopkins Lite
I think he got passive at times.
I think one of his biggest things is to learn to play with some pace and use his size. He's very quick but it's sometimes all just one speed and he can get out of control going to the basket.
He needs to learn to change speeds, come into the lane a bit more under control, and utilitize his size and strength.
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