Coaching Carousel (Football)

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#926      
What about Iowa? I've heard there is a chance Kirk retires,. Have you heard anything about that?

Wouldn't be a firing. I don't think there is much substance out there of Kirk retiring this offseason. Everyone makes the choice that's best for them, but Ferentz has been very loyal to Iowa. I don't see him retiring this offseason and putting Iowa in a bad spot with this many big jobs opened (or about to be opened).
 
#927      
I think you'd have to consider Texas tech and byu and possibly Utah in the mix for top 30 job with there nil budgets and have a better history then Vanderbilt as well or a fr least recently
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While I agree with the overall premise that B1G / SEC >>>>>>>>>>> everyone else, I do find the original comment funny, in that it names 35 schools and then definitively says Vanderbilt is still a top 30 job. There is still room for those conferences to dominate and Vandy NOT be a top 30 job.

Which five schools fill out the bottom of the group, especially over the long term?
 
#928      
He should be forced to coach until we play Wisconsin!!! It's only fair for his bs eligible player-play 2 years ago that became outlawed.
 
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I think they'd like to hire Kelly if they got rid of fickell but I think it'd likely shake out more likely he would end up at Florida or Penn state especially with Wisconsin nil budget supposedly one of the lowest in the conference
I can see your point. I personally believe that I would take the chance with a incompetent program with resources in Arkansas than previously competent one that is cheap in Wisconsin. But I get your view with Arkansas being Arte Moreno's Angels.

What is this based on? Nobody is actually releasing NIL numbers, yet I see it confidently asserted that Wisconsin's NIL budget is terrible. Maybe it is. Maybe it isn't. But this information is not public so how does everyone seem to know? According to this 247 article from 2024, Wisconsin outranked us and Penn St. in athletic department donations, good enough for 24th in the nation (time period in question in 2005-2022).


This doesn't directly equal NIL funds, but unless Wisconsin boosters are just incredibly inept in allocating their money you'd expect at least some kind of loose correlation.
 
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While I agree with the overall premise that B1G / SEC >>>>>>>>>>> everyone else, I do find the original comment funny, in that it names 35 schools and then definitively says Vanderbilt is still a top 30 job. There is still room for those conferences to dominate and Vandy NOT be a top 30 job.

Which five schools fill out the bottom of the group, especially over the long term?
Here’s 8

Mississippi St
Kentucky
Maryland
Rutgers
Minnesota
Michigan St
Purdue
Northwestern
 
#932      
Don't agree with all, definitely agree with some, and Arkansas is a worse job than at least half this list (and worse than Vandy).
The Athletic just ranked Vandy as 10th best job in SEC which probably means around 16-18th in BT/SEC. Calling Vandy top 30 isn’t controversial.
 
#933      
When you have all your secondary out and one of your best linebackers as well, it makes for a long day/
I would agree with that statement but our qb getting sacked 7 times in that game for our program to truly take the next step especially our offensive line has to be better then they've been and to lesser extent our d line needs to step it up as well
 
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What is this based on? Nobody is actually releasing NIL numbers, yet I see it confidently asserted that Wisconsin's NIL budget is terrible. Maybe it is. Maybe it isn't. But this information is not public so how does everyone seem to know? According to this 247 article from 2024, Wisconsin outranked us and Penn St. in athletic department donations, good enough for 24th in the nation (time period in question in 2005-2022).


This doesn't directly equal NIL funds, but unless Wisconsin boosters are just incredibly inept in allocating their money you'd expect at least some kind of loose correlation.
I'd say its my speculative not to say ive specifically seen an article straight out say there nil is bottom half but its been a big topic of talk especially if you look up the page with ad referencing they need to up their nil or asking more donations which isn't new from a ad to say in current times.as far as the 247 link I think its truly hard to identify a teams true nil as most of it hasn't been truly revealed to extent as much as some teams are truly spending as it will possibly be more up front with universities actually being able to pay players directly
 
#935      
FSU can probably do better, but given that a lot of people expected the wheels to fall off this season with Shadeur and Hunter gone, Deion has Colorado playing decent football. Played BYU close and beat a ranked Iowa St. team. Everyone keeps expecting the Deion Sanders experiment to descend into chaos and it keeps not happening. Considering what he inherited, the guy deserves credit. These were the records of the five Colorado HCs preceding Deion:

Karl Dorrell: 8-15 (.348)
Mel Tucker: 5-7 (.417)
Mike MacIntyre: 30-44 (.405)
Jon Embree: 4-21 (.160)
Dan Hawkins: 16-33 (.327)

TOTAL: 63-120 (.344)

That's truly awful. Over the 17 year span that represents, that averages out to 4 wins a season. They had exactly one full length winning season (plus 4-2 covid year) and made 3 bowl games (2 if you don't include the one in that Covid year) in that entire 17-year span. Just think about that - that's the same number Bowl games Zook made, by himself, in 1/3 the time. The fortunes of that program have so clearly improved, based on what Deion has done. I really don't understand how a coach that is so clearly competent gets casually dismissed so pervasively.
He's .500 at Colorado and likely looking at a 6 win season this year. He's competent, but his record doesn't really look like what you'd expect from a hot coaching candidate.
 
#936      
He's .500 at Colorado and likely looking at a 6 win season this year. He's competent, but his record doesn't really look like what you'd expect from a hot coaching candidate.
he's good for the game. Hes grown on me and I like him.
Just like Dennis Rodman was good for the NBA
but he brings a lot of drama. just like the Worm did, and until he's on your team, you wonder about him

But I would NEVER want him coaching the beloved. I just like him talking crap on Sat mornings with Saban or whoever
 
#937      
I think they'd like to hire Kelly if they got rid of fickell but I think it'd likely shake out more likely he would end up at Florida or Penn state especially with Wisconsin nil budget supposedly one of the lowest in the conference
would Fla or PSU give Kelly the keys if he couldn't get it done at LSU ?
 
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What is this based on? Nobody is actually releasing NIL numbers, yet I see it confidently asserted that Wisconsin's NIL budget is terrible. Maybe it is. Maybe it isn't. But this information is not public so how does everyone seem to know? According to this 247 article from 2024, Wisconsin outranked us and Penn St. in athletic department donations, good enough for 24th in the nation (time period in question in 2005-2022).


This doesn't directly equal NIL funds, but unless Wisconsin boosters are just incredibly inept in allocating their money you'd expect at least some kind of loose correlation.

People that follow the Wisconsin program say they are lacking in nil and salaries for coaches
 
#941      
would Fla or PSU give Kelly the keys if he couldn't get it done at LSU ?
Maybe maybe not considering where they're at in the pecking order I think both Florida and Penn state would be happy to be in the top 25 compared to there current circumstances.you also have to consider how many current open positions that are already open and how many more will be available by the end of the season I think both those teams could do alot worse then Kelly not to say im a fan of his but thats just my take im obviously no ad or insider just think they can possibly do alot worse
 
#942      
Maybe maybe not considering where they're at in the pecking order I think both Florida and Penn state would be happy to be in the top 25 compared to there current circumstances.you also have to consider how many current open positions that are already open and how many more will be available by the end of the season I think both those teams could do alot worse then Kelly not to say im a fan of his but thats just my take im obviously no ad or insider just think they can possibly do alot worse
if you are firing your current guy and paying him xx millions to not coach, you better be hiring a guy that you really believe can get you to the CFP with some regularity,

hiring a guy to get you to 3rd place in the league isn’t cutting it . Kelly has his issues . I’m not a fan, and He’s not a bad coach , but he’s not the guy to win 2 CFP games and have you playing still in mid January
 
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#943      
I agree those are good jobs. My main point is BT/SEC jobs are a different level. BT/SEC are cherry picking another 6ish of the best jobs in the next couple years so that’s 41 schools in the BT/SEC and ND and all of the power and most of the money. Non BT/SEC schools are not in a good spot and are in a worse spot in 2030.

The Athletic this week ranked Vandy as 10th best job in the SEC. That means they are inside the Top 20 by their rankings. Safely inside top 30 nationally. My point wasn’t to quibble where but to point out it’s a great job in modern football.
Without having read the article, it's difficult to envision how Vandy can be anything other than 16th out of 16 programs in the SEC. I guess you could maybe argue they have more potential than Mississippi State, but that's it. No way is it a better job than UK, Arkansas or SC. To be the 10th best program they would have to be ranked above say Auburn and Missouri, and that is just ludicrous.

I suspect the Athletic is suffering from some serious recency bias - it was only two years ago that Vandy was 2-10. Once Pavia is gone and they have to play a 9 game conference schedule, a really good year for Vandy is going to be 4-8. I just can't conceive how under those circumstances Vandy can be considered a better job than Miami, FSU or Clemson. Or Texas Tech, Utah or BYU. Or UNC, NC State or Ga Tech. Or Baylor, TCU or WVU. In the new world they may be comparable to the Pitt's and UVA and Cincy and Stanford, but I'm not fully convinced. The ability to compete has to count for something
 
#944      
Just curious, if someone (like me) is meh on country music, bachelorette parties and dislikes traffic, what does Nashville offer? I've yet to find it all that appealing as I'm not picky with my hot chicken sandwiches.
Nashville is known for country music and hot chicken. Yes, the traffic sucks, because so many people want to live there. Nashville is booming not just because of country music and hot chicken. Any type of music you might want to hear you’ll find in Nashville. My wife and I joke that the worst band we hear in Nashville would be the best local band we hear in STL. (Some truth to that)
They have the Titans and Predators. Vandy is beautiful. Concerts galore from every genre. Every kind of food you could want. Large police presence on and around Broadway to keep the vibrant night life as safe as reasonably possible.
Nashville is awesome to this non-country music fan who doesn’t care to eat hot chicken.
 
#945      
if you are firing your current guy and paying him xx millions to not coach, you better be hiring a guy that you really believe can get you to the CFP with some regularity,

hiring a guy to get you to 3rd place in the league isn’t cutting it . Kelly has his issues . I’m not a fan, and He’s not a bad coach , but he’s not the guy to win 2 CFP games and have you playing still in mid January
Im mean I agree in principle but other then urban Meyer or nick Saban who's literally likely or guaranteed to get you there?my point was more about the vacancies already available and those that will be available by the end of the season.i think for a fan base such as Florida that has so much in state talent I dont know Kelly's history in the state but he can recruit he does have a bit of the Franklin affect in that in his best years teams have fallen short but other then urban Meyer or even Spurrier to a way smaller effect.i think think Florida fans would be rather be in LSU position then there current situation. I mean if you could hire a Lea or someone special id say go for it.but with such a wide field of programs looking for a new coach already and even more top programs may or will be looking for a top coach in my opinion it kinda becomes beggars cant be choosers thats just my opinion and I may very well be wrong sir thats just kinda how I see it atm
 
#946      
Without having read the article, it's difficult to envision how Vandy can be anything other than 16th out of 16 programs in the SEC. I guess you could maybe argue they have more potential than Mississippi State, but that's it. No way is it a better job than UK, Arkansas or SC. To be the 10th best program they would have to be ranked above say Auburn and Missouri, and that is just ludicrous.

I suspect the Athletic is suffering from some serious recency bias - it was only two years ago that Vandy was 2-10. Once Pavia is gone and they have to play a 9 game conference schedule, a really good year for Vandy is going to be 4-8. I just can't conceive how under those circumstances Vandy can be considered a better job than Miami, FSU or Clemson. Or Texas Tech, Utah or BYU. Or UNC, NC State or Ga Tech. Or Baylor, TCU or WVU. In the new world they may be comparable to the Pitt's and UVA and Cincy and Stanford, but I'm not fully convinced. The ability to compete has to count for something
Heck I will support you there:

Are these jobs better than jobs are Vandy?

FSU- This job is better than Penn State! Maybe better even better than Michigan

Clemson- another easy yes

Miami- not as good you would think it is, still better than Vandy

Texas Tech- Cody Campbell is a new Phil Knight but in much better recruiting home turf, easy yes

BYU- Mormons have money and their NIL is monstrous, so yes though their Honor Code is hinderance.

Ga Tech- Vandy, but in Atlanta. Plus they are much more attractive team to the B1G and SEC. So yeah bordering on heck yeah.

Baylor, TCU, SMU, Houston- The first three are basically the same, Texas private schools with rich football crazed alums. Houston has a Cody Campbell prototype in Tillman Fertita. Yes, yes, yes

The only ones you could make an argument for is UNC, NC State, Utah, and WVU, but I am just less knowledgeable on these schools. I definitely guessing WVU is easily better than Vandy though.
 
#948      
Notre Dame is the only place I could see Bielema leaving us for. And I don’t see Marcus Freeman getting plucked any time soon. Glad we have a steady ship right now considering the mess going on at so many other places.
 
#949      
if you are firing your current guy and paying him xx millions to not coach, you better be hiring a guy that you really believe can get you to the CFP with some regularity,

hiring a guy to get you to 3rd place in the league isn’t cutting it . Kelly has his issues . I’m not a fan, and He’s not a bad coach , but he’s not the guy to win 2 CFP games and have you playing still in mid January
Just who is that guy for PSU? I don't see him out there.
 
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