2016 St. Louis Cardinals

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#476      
dgcrow
Cards, 5-4!!! What an unbelievable win. Amazing!
 
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the national
dgcrow said:
Cards, 5-4!!! What an unbelievable win. Amazing!
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my Jaw is still dropped. I cant believe it. :eek:

Man, I watched about 5 innings and needed a break. Im really happy they pulled it out. We've been in a real funk - needed a W in the worst way after last weekend.
 
#478      
IAmChrisFarley
Wacha to the 15-day DL; Alex Reyes called up. His normal starting day is Thursday. Wonder if we'll see him starting that day, or Wacha's spot


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#479      
IAmChrisFarley
Actually, Reyes will be coming out of the pen for now, and Luke Weaver is taking Wacha's spot. Weaver has been lights out in the minors this year


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#480      
jrichisamazing
the national said:
my Jaw is still dropped. I cant believe it. :eek:

Man, I watched about 5 innings and needed a break. Im really happy they pulled it out. We've been in a real funk - needed a W in the worst way after last weekend.
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Yep me too. Really couldn't watch any more of the horror show this past week has been. Let's see if these young arms can give us a fresh boost.
 
#482      
the national
really close game. extra innings. We'll see if the Cards can hold on and eek this one out. would be nice for the wild card standings.
 
#483      
hermie1985
Home plate umpire struggled all night with the strike zone. Last call was bad but we threw one earlier right down the middle that the dude must have blacked out on.

Gyro getting picked off at first was the game. Trying to score Carpenter was poor decision.
 
#484      
jrichisamazing
hermie1985 said:
Home plate umpire struggled all night with the strike zone. Last call was bad but we threw one earlier right down the middle that the dude must have blacked out on.

Gyro getting picked off at first was the game. Trying to score Carpenter was poor decision.
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Story of the season. Martinez also cut off a relay that probably was going to be the 3rd out at home plate, and then threw away a David Ross bunt leading to another run. This game shouldn't have gone to extra innings. How many more wins would we have if we didn't screw up the little things all season?

On a side not, why call up Alex Reyes if you aren't going to use him?
 
#485      
dgcrow
hermie1985 said:
Home plate umpire struggled all night with the strike zone. Last call was bad but we threw one earlier right down the middle that the dude must have blacked out on.

Gyro getting picked off at first was the game. Trying to score Carpenter was poor decision.
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Agreed. Horrible base running continues to plague the Cardinals.:tsk:
 
#486      
IlliniFan85
So did anyone read the VEB story about why Matheny needs to go? And if so and if it did happen, would you all like the secret weapon to take over? I think I would be all for it. But the first part needs to happen.
 
#487      
IAmChrisFarley
IlliniFan85 said:
So did anyone read the VEB story about why Matheny needs to go? And if so and if it did happen, would you all like the secret weapon to take over? I think I would be all for it. But the first part needs to happen.
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I haven't yet, but my question is - if Oqendo was a good choice, how come he hasn't been picked up by yet? He's had multiple interviews for the managerial spot elsewhere....


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#488      
homesickalien
Talk about a lost season. It's not so much the record as it's the way this team has played. So unlike any Cardinal teams in recent memory. The Cards are in a very interesting/dangerous spot as the core of their team is old and deteriorating fast. They have some solid young guys, but no one that screams star. They're trying to walk this fine line right now of rebuilding, but still being competitive. That can be a dangerous place to be sometimes.
 
#489      
hermie1985
homesickalien said:
Talk about a lost season. It's not so much the record as it's the way this team has played. So unlike any Cardinal teams in recent memory. The Cards are in a very interesting/dangerous spot as the core of their team is old and deteriorating fast. They have some solid young guys, but no one that screams star. They're trying to walk this fine line right now of rebuilding, but still being competitive. That can be a dangerous place to be sometimes.
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I agree except I think Piscotty, Diaz and Reyes promise some stars. Hope Luke Weaver and some others deliver. I was hoping to unload some guys like Adams at the deadline but we were still in it.

I look back at Mo's last 12-18 months and scratch my head. Giving Wong a long term deal. Extending Broxton and then giving him 2 years. Picking Heyward as the outfielder you'd throw money at. First giving up Kelly for a rental Heyward when at least one team gave up much more for him from Atlanta. Signing Leake even looks weak.

Keep in mind that our All Star Diaz was not suppose to make it out of the minors this year.
 
#490      
jrichisamazing
hermie1985 said:
I agree except I think Piscotty, Diaz and Reyes promise some stars. Hope Luke Weaver and some others deliver. I was hoping to unload some guys like Adams at the deadline but we were still in it.

I look back at Mo's last 12-18 months and scratch my head. Giving Wong a long term deal. Extending Broxton and then giving him 2 years. Picking Heyward as the outfielder you'd throw money at. First giving up Kelly for a rental Heyward when at least one team gave up much more for him from Atlanta. Signing Leake even looks weak.

Keep in mind that our All Star Diaz was not suppose to make it out of the minors this year.
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I don't see what is wrong with most of those moves. Broxton maybe, but he really hasn't been the problem this year.

Heyward was good last year and is sorely missed. Grichuk just missed another ball in center today. And I think you mean Shelby Miller. He isn't looking so good either.

Mo went after David Price and offered plenty of money so he settled for Leake instead. And Leake has been a solid 5th starter this year.

Wong is young and still has a lot of potential. Signing him long term isn't restricting Mo from making any other big deals.
 
#491      
jrichisamazing
What we are really missing right now is a guy like Jon Jay. Grichuk and Pham are too similar to have them both in the outfield rotation right now. Both strike out too much and make some head scratching plays in center.
 
#492      
Ryllini
homesickalien said:
Talk about a lost season. It's not so much the record as it's the way this team has played. So unlike any Cardinal teams in recent memory. The Cards are in a very interesting/dangerous spot as the core of their team is old and deteriorating fast. They have some solid young guys, but no one that screams star. They're trying to walk this fine line right now of rebuilding, but still being competitive. That can be a dangerous place to be sometimes.
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I think we are and will be fine. We are trotting some youth out there in a wild card chase. CMart and Reyes will be as good as a 1-2 as there is. Their stuff is electric. Weaver I think has great promise, add him and you have a nice young trio. Hopefully Wong can turn this thing around, Diaz and Piscotty should be the two we build around. I think Grichuk was figured out a bit this year, but he has so much raw talent for him to stay down. I can't remember the years Marp has left, but I absolutely love his leadership for the young positional core. I think we should have some more money to spend in the future and if we add free agents to our system, we will be fine.
 
#493      
jrichisamazing
Ryllini said:
I think we are and will be fine. We are trotting some youth out there in a wild card chase. CMart and Reyes will be as good as a 1-2 as there is. Their stuff is electric. Weaver I think has great promise, add him and you have a nice young trio. Hopefully Wong can turn this thing around, Diaz and Piscotty should be the two we build around. I think Grichuk was figured out a bit this year, but he has so much raw talent for him to stay down. I can't remember the years Marp has left, but I absolutely love his leadership for the young positional core. I think we should have some more money to spend in the future and if we add free agents to our system, we will be fine.
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Carpenter is a free agent in 2021 and he will be 35 at that point. Yes we have plenty of money to spend, especially with the billion dollar tv deal that starts in 2018.

First time getting to watch Reyes, and wow. Looks like he isn't even trying.
 
#494      
hermie1985
jrichisamazing said:
I don't see what is wrong with most of those moves. Broxton maybe, but he really hasn't been the problem this year.

Heyward was good last year and is sorely missed. Grichuk just missed another ball in center today. And I think you mean Shelby Miller. He isn't looking so good either.

Mo went after David Price and offered plenty of money so he settled for Leake instead. And Leake has been a solid 5th starter this year.

Wong is young and still has a lot of potential. Signing him long term isn't restricting Mo from making any other big deals.
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Thanks, I did mean Miller. He might not be doing well but he commanded a haul.
 
#495      
the national
The challenges we are facing this year are not unique to other clubs. The Yankees are in the same boat and the sold everyone off. Mo trying to keep our guys intact as much as he can. The fans really dictate that as they love their cardinals. But he has to figure out how to shuffle the right combination of new blood, young blood and old guys to make the team competitive. It's a tough job. I dint look at this year as a lost one. It's a rebuilding year. I knew it when we lost both heyward and lackey to the cubs. We had to lean on our young guys and that will pay dividends in the next couple of seasons. Forcing Matheny to play his young guys was good for the team, imo. Otherwise he may have stuck with the old regulars. We do need to find a couple of new stars. I was hearing Gomez. Does that rumor actually have legs?
 
#496      
Ryllini
the national said:
The challenges we are facing this year are not unique to other clubs. The Yankees are in the same boat and the sold everyone off. Mo trying to keep our guys intact as much as he can. The fans really dictate that as they love their cardinals. But he has to figure out how to shuffle the right combination of new blood, young blood and old guys to make the team competitive. It's a tough job. I dint look at this year as a lost one. It's a rebuilding year. I knew it when we lost both heyward and lackey to the cubs. We had to lean on our young guys and that will pay dividends in the next couple of seasons. Forcing Matheny to play his young guys was good for the team, imo. Otherwise he may have stuck with the old regulars. We do need to find a couple of new stars. I was hearing Gomez. Does that rumor actually have legs?
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I've heard the rumors about Gomez and was intrigued. He is 31 and has really slumped the past couple of years, don't know if that was just the AL eating him up or is he done. Mo should be very careful about what he would have to give up for him. I think as of now, I'd pass.
 
#497      
dgcrow
Ryllini said:
I think we are and will be fine. We are trotting some youth out there in a wild card chase. CMart and Reyes will be as good as a 1-2 as there is. Their stuff is electric. Weaver I think has great promise, add him and you have a nice young trio. Hopefully Wong can turn this thing around, Diaz and Piscotty should be the two we build around. I think Grichuk was figured out a bit this year, but he has so much raw talent for him to stay down. I can't remember the years Marp has left, but I absolutely love his leadership for the young positional core. I think we should have some more money to spend in the future and if we add free agents to our system, we will be fine.
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The Cardinals can be fine, but they must also get back to smart base running and develop a much improved defense. Better in-game strategy by the manager wouldn't hurt, either.
 
#498      
illini8507
Gonna be fine long term, we have lots of young talent, and big money coming in soon. That being said, I can't remember a season being so frustrating. I'm really starting to get apathetic towards watching games. It has nothing to do with the losing, as I have watched and cheered during losing seasons in the past, and has everything to do with fundamentals. Terrible baserunning mistakes, poor defensive decisions, and the incredibly high rate of errors has just made this team unenjoyable to watch. I don't mind watching losing baseball (which we are not really experiencing yet) but I do hate watching bad baseball. These guys are making mistakes that they should have learned in t-ball. Even in yesterday's win I counted several. I can go 3-4 days without watching a game and not even realize it anymore because I've become apathetic. Hopefully getting oquendo healthy will alleviate some of that next season.

Edit: I guess I should add that even with all these issues we are still in a good spot to make the playoffs, so I don't want to sound super whiny or spoiled, because I do recognize that this is the lowest point in about 8 years, and here we are still in the WC race
 
#499      
dgcrow
illini8507 said:
Gonna be fine long term, we have lots of young talent, and big money coming in soon. That being said, I can't remember a season being so frustrating. I'm really starting to get apathetic towards watching games. It has nothing to do with the losing, as I have watched and cheered during losing seasons in the past, and has everything to do with fundamentals. Terrible baserunning mistakes, poor defensive decisions, and the incredibly high rate of errors has just made this team unenjoyable to watch. I don't mind watching losing baseball (which we are not really experiencing yet) but I do hate watching bad baseball. These guys are making mistakes that they should have learned in t-ball. Even in yesterday's win I counted several. I can go 3-4 days without watching a game and not even realize it anymore because I've become apathetic. Hopefully getting oquendo healthy will alleviate some of that next season.

Edit: I guess I should add that even with all these issues we are still in a good spot to make the playoffs, so I don't want to sound super whiny or spoiled, because I do recognize that this is the lowest point in about 8 years, and here we are still in the WC race
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Agreed. Good post. Under LaRussa the Cardinals pretty much always played fundamentally sound, smart baseball. So I have to blame their lower level of play this season at least in part on Matheny.
 
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