A quick google search would have toldyou not to hire Beckman.
I did that Google search when he was hired and said he was going to fail like a dropped plate of lasagna.
A quick google search would have toldyou not to hire Beckman.
@ChiefGritty wouldn't be happy with my list of choices haha
There are plenty of reasons to crap on the Beckman hire but this isn't one of them, IMO. This belief stems from the Campbell success after-the-fact. Campbell got the head coaching gig at Toledo after Beckman left, can't fault him for staying. Can't fault his offensive guys sticking with Campbell because they ran the same offense. Beckman is a defensive guy by trade and wanted to (initially) run his own defense so he wanted a bigger focus on recruiting. He also hired some guys that looked like great hires at the time. Hired Banks and Gilmore from Cincinnati at their height of program success. Brought Ward, Clinkscale, and Golesh (offense) with him. Filled out the staff with Gonzales and Beatty for their recruiting acumen (probably should have brought someone in with an offensive philosophy, to say the least). Funny thing is almost all of these coaches are at P5 programs right now (besides Ward, who's back at Toledo). Also seems like a double standard because Zook brought very few personnel with him from Florida (was Body by Lou the only one?) and that was never a complaint with Zook's tenure.
A quick google search would have toldyou not to hire Beckman.
I knew from the first conversation I had with him that Illinois football was doomed.
There are plenty of reasons to crap on the Beckman hire but this isn't one of them, IMO. This belief stems from the Campbell success after-the-fact. Campbell got the head coaching gig at Toledo after Beckman left, can't fault him for staying. Can't fault his offensive guys sticking with Campbell because they ran the same offense.
Nearly everyone believed Zook and Weber should be fired. Revisionist thinking.Just thinking about how our former AD fired the football coach who last took us to the Rose Bowl, and the hoops coach who got to the NCAA final, because neither was “good enough.” Replaced both with clowns from the MAC, and look at us now. Doh! :doh:
Nearly everyone believed Zook and Weber should be fired. Revisionist thinking.
Lol was mostly just messing with you. Triple option is a very good offense just not my cup of tea. Dino would be my top choice if he was feasible. Then Graham Harrell/Seth Littrell, Luke Fickell, Bill Clark, Hugh freeze, Chip Long.I'd love to hear your thoughts. This is a safe space (for us to yell at each other and call each other idiots, which is FUN)
Lol was mostly just messing with you. Triple option is a very good offense just not my cup of tea. Dino would be my top choice if he was feasible. Then Graham Harrell/Seth Littrell, Luke Fickell, Bill Clark, Hugh freeze, Chip Long.
On Bill Clark, what's your feeling on super southern-fried corn pone guys in Champaign? There's just something that gives me hesitation that that would be very, very fish out of water.
Bill Self had some of that, but Self was a consummate performer, and that was part of the act that he turned up or down on command. Bill Clark is not that.
Yeah I get that don’t know how he would do here. Wouldn’t be in my top 3 or 4 but I like what he has done at UAB.On Bill Clark, what's your feeling on super southern-fried corn pone guys in Champaign? There's just something that gives me hesitation that that would be very, very fish out of water.
Bill Self had some of that, but Self was a consummate performer, and that was part of the act that he turned up or down on command. Bill Clark is not that.
Any audible sound coming out of him should have been plenty. #goofA brief phone interview would have sufficed as well.
(And it's such a tragedy in retrospect. Pat Narduzzi wanted the job, was perfectly well-qualified to get it, Mike Thomas loved Narduzzi from when they were at Cincinnati together, but for some idiotic reason made up his mind that he had to have someone with head coaching experience. Thomas hired a coach he wasn't sure about, and the coach took a job he wasn't sure about, and Narduzzi dominated the conference for three more years before getting the Pitt job, where he's been fine, miles better than Beckman. Ugh.)
Anybody else watching Memphis-Navy? Triple Option 20, Mike Norvell 7
The GT is where I was looking at what realistically IL could become under that system. And I just watched that one game, so not a GT expert, but I came away thinking they won because of their defense. The offense did just enough on their own and helped the defense stay fresh.The GT comparison is more apt. As you mentioned, a lot has to do with the D. Monken's defenses have been pretty dang good.
Likely Gone
3. Vandy/Mason
Maybe (50/50)
6. Arkansas/Morris
Ranking the Likely/maybe Job openings
1. USC
2. FSU
3. South Carolina
4. Ole Miss
5. Arkansas
6. Tennesse
7. Illinois
8. Vandy
9. Rutgers
I actually think illinois is closer to #5-6 than you think
You can say that killing the clock on O helped keep the D fresh. But can we not do that with the offense we currently have? I am not looking it up but I assume we have a really good average running the football.
I was looking at Babers records at Syracuse and was thinking the same thing. I didn't want to give him a quick ax this year just yet but they got TRUCKED by Maryland.Babers is 20-21 at Syracuse, 10-15 in the ACC. He's also 58 years old. And he's gonna be the guy at FSU or Michigan? I can't see it.
The conflation of running the football with killing the clock obscures more than it reveals. We're a tempo offense under Rod Smith, especially at our best. The Paul Johnson school generally intentionally plays as slow as possible.
Army was #1 nationally in time of possession last year by a country mile, over four minutes per game longer holding the ball than the next closest team. Illinois was 103rd.
It's a defense-friendly system. As I said earlier in the thread, it's from the ground up just a conceptually different theory of how to end 60 minutes of football with more points than your opponent.
it seems like we are working against ourselves.
If we go the D coordinator route, Jimmy Lake at Washington might be interesting. And he was a coach with Tampa Bay (not during Lovie's tenure), so he has that going for him.