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#101      

ChiefGritty

Chicago, IL
LOL. Wrong. A 1 loss Alabama or 1 loss Georgia team gets in over a 1 loss Illinois team 100x out of 100.

There is no way a 1 loss Illinois team gets in over a 1 loss SEC champ.
I mean I guess that's right. Bama, UCLA, Clemson, TCU all win out, is your scenario. 12-1 Illinois is probably on the outside looking in. It's possible they'd screw TCU, but unlikely.

But all three of UCLA, TCU, and the Clemson/Syracuse winner finishing undefeated, those being the only unbeaten representatives of those conferences left, is extraordinarily unlikely.

So then maybe your scenario is Clemson and TCU win out (the two likeliest of that group), and so does Georgia, beating Tennessee in a tight game, or the other way around.

That would be a heck of a debate. I'm not sure you're fully appreciating how extraordinary it would be for a 9-1 Illinois that is a cute and cuddly probably something like #9 in the nation to suddenly win away from home against Michigan and Ohio State as double digit underdogs on national TV at the business end of the season. Non-Illinois, even non-Big Ten fans would be very very mad if the Tennessee/Georgia loser got in ahead of us. And the polls would have us above TCU.

Anyway, it is far, far more likely that we'd be the #2 if not #1 team in the country if that came to pass as the clearly imperfect elite of this season trip up somewhere along the line. The Michigan-Ohio State winner will be the only unbeaten team in the CFP, that would be my prediction.
 
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#103      
Are you kidding me?

Undefeated Clemson, undefeated TCU, undefeated UCLA, and a 1-loss Alabama (loss to Tenn) or an undefeated or 1-loss Georgia team (loss to Bama) all get in over a 12-1 Illinois team that lost to Indiana.

That's not even a debate.
In your scenario also probably looking at a one loss Tennessee with a win over Bama. We’re not getting in.
 
#107      
Not if we beat Michigan at the Big House and Ohio State in Indy.

No team in the country would have a pair of better wins than that.
Begs the question though…

We’re good, but definitely not great or elite imo. If we do that, are we great/elite, or are they not as good as previously thought, and are those wins really that good?

We’re Illinois, so my guess is most people would say the latter.
 
#109      
Are you kidding me?

Undefeated Clemson, undefeated TCU, undefeated UCLA, and a 1-loss Alabama (loss to Tenn) or an undefeated or 1-loss Georgia team (loss to Bama) all get in over a 12-1 Illinois team that lost to Indiana.

That's not even a debate.

I think it's even less likely then that.
2 of the 4 slots will almost certainly be 2 of Georgia/Alabama/Tennessee
0 or 1 loss ACC champ will get in ahead of us.
0 or 1 loss B12 champ (TCU, OKST, KSU) gets in ahead of us
0 or 1 loss Pac 12 champ Oregon/UCLA/USC gets in ahead of us

I don't think we have a shot, unless there is a massive amount of chaos in both the P12 and B12.

But, dammit I'd love to !!!!! about being 12-1 and arguing we should be in!
 
#112      

The Galloping Ghost

Washington, DC
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This is not a discussion I had on my bingo card at the beginning of the season.
 
#113      
Are you kidding me?

Undefeated Clemson, undefeated TCU, undefeated UCLA, and a 1-loss Alabama (loss to Tenn) or an undefeated or 1-loss Georgia team (loss to Bama) all get in over a 12-1 Illinois team that lost to Indiana.

That's not even a debate.
You're forgetting that this team that lost to Indiana on the road by three would also have beaten Michigan (possibly #1, #2, or #3 Michigan) on the road and beaten Ohio State (possibly #1, #2, or #3 Ohio State) in the B1G Championship.

A week 1 loss to Indiana means nothing at this point. Win out, and Illinois is in the FBS Playoffs. No questions asked; no debate about it.
 
#114      

band camp

STL City
You're forgetting that this team that lost to Indiana on the road by three would also have beaten Michigan (possibly #1, #2, or #3 Michigan) on the road and beaten Ohio State (possibly #1, #2, or #3 Ohio State) in the B1G Championship.

A week 1 loss to Indiana means nothing at this point. Win out, and Illinois is in the FBS Playoffs. No questions asked; no debate about it.
You keep saying, "no debate", but all I'm reading is a debate and many questions.
 
#118      
Just over six years ago I was in MS watching Lovie Smith piss away more than a full minute in the final drive and just accepting a long FG attempt, only to then lose to Purdue in OT in what would be the foreshadowing of his whole tenure. Literally two years ago this week we were about to open the shortened season with a 45-7 curbstomping at the hands of Wisky where we looked like a junior high team 5 years in to the Lovie Smith experience.

Today, we're arguing whether or not a 1 loss Illinois would jump ahead of teams from the B12 or Pac 12 and make the playoff. And yeah, it's a bit pie in the sky, but it's not complete lunacy as frankly, anything less than 10 wins now will be a bit of a let down based on the remaining schedule (relatively speaking!)

Absolutely WILD man.
 
#119      
Here's a fun chart, listing the selections/non-selections of the College Football Playoff.

Ohio State 2018 (the year they lost at Purdue) is the only 1-loss Big Ten Champion to not get selected.

2014 B12 co-champions Baylor & TCU are the only other power 5 1-loss league champions to not get selected.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/College_Football_Playoff#Selections_by_year
How comparable was purdue that year to indiana this year?

If purdue 2018 is better than 2022 indiana, that doesn't seem to bode well
 
#120      

Mr. Tibbs

southeast DuPage
How comparable was purdue that year to indiana this year?

If purdue 2018 is better than 2022 indiana, that doesn't seem to bode well
No. 2 Ohio State stumbles at Purdue, gets blown out 49-20. D.J. Knox rushed for 128 yards and three touchdowns, David Blough threw for three more scores and Purdue shook up the College Football World...

and it happened in mid October

we really beat Indiana
the O$U v Purdue game was totally different
 
#122      
No. 2 Ohio State stumbles at Purdue, gets blown out 49-20. D.J. Knox rushed for 128 yards and three touchdowns, David Blough threw for three more scores and Purdue shook up the College Football World...

and it happened in mid October

we really beat Indiana
the O$U v Purdue game was totally different
To answer my own question now that I have time to look, Purdue finished 6-6 that year with a 5-4 big ten record.

2022 Indiana looks to be on pace for 5-7 (3-6) at best, if you consider MSU and Rutgers as wins. Yes, Indiana plays in a tougher division but they got handled by Nebraska, and will most likely lose to Purdue, making us their only big ten west win.
 
#123      
To answer my own question now that I have time to look, Purdue finished 6-6 that year with a 5-4 big ten record.

2022 Indiana looks to be on pace for 5-7 (3-6) at best, if you consider MSU and Rutgers as wins. Yes, Indiana plays in a tougher division but they got handled by Nebraska, and will most likely lose to Purdue, making us their only big ten west win.
Indiana is 1-12 in its last 13 B1G games. Unfortunately, we’re the 1.
 
#125      
I think the Playoff or snub equation is an argument simply because it's too early to have enough information available to make a decision. That said it's a fun conversation to even be considering having at this point. So I'll help out a little bit: If there's an undefeated SEC, P10, B12, and ACC team at the end of the season, there's no chance Illinois makes the playoffs. But what is the actual likelihood of this? The answer is low as it hasn't happened in BCS or later era (past 24 years), however certain years have gotten close with 3 undefeated power 5 teams with some additionally having an undefeated minor conference team, so it is possible, just low likelihood.

So the question becomes how many power 5 conference teams are likely to stay undefeated. Well using some statistics over the past 24 years you get the following statistics based on season averages:
Undefeated P6/P5 teams: avg=1.30/season, s=1.02
Likelihood of a P6/P5 conference having an undefeated team= 30/131=22.9%
Expected number of undefeated P5 teams this year=1.15


Okay, so now we know that while somewhere between 0-3 undefeated P5 teams will occur with 95% likelihood (and less than 3% probability of 4 undefeated P5 teams), the most statistically likely situation is there will be 1 undefeated P5 team this year.

Excellent, now that we know that, what is the likelihood of other 1 loss P5 teams or a Playoff selected 0 loss Minor Conference team:
Likelihood of a P6/P5 conference having a 1 loss team= 71/131=54.2%
Likelihood of 0 loss playoff caliber minor conference teams this year=
3/23=13.0%
Expected number of 1 loss P5 teams this year=2.71
Expected number of 0 loss playoff caliber minor conference teams this year=0.13

So in an average year, as Illinois would be one of the ~3 1 loss P5 conference teams or 0 loss minor conference teams, statistically, Illinois would have over a 50% shot of making the Playoffs.
It's obviously not a given, but in the crazy case Illinois were to completely win out, they would have a strong and even likely though not guaranteed chance of making the 4 team playoff.

Now the real questions start with would a 1 loss Illini team be taken over a 1 loss SEC, Pac10, ACC or B12 team if 1 or 2 1 loss P5 teams must be left out of the playoffs (i.e. an abnormally high playoff caliber team year). And I hate putting this out into the ether, but what if the final playoff spot comes between a 1 loss Illinois team and a 1 loss OSU team who Illinois beats in a game of the century B10 championship game? Would Illinois automatically get the spot or could OSU with the much better loss, the name recognition and fandom, and the somewhat similar strength of schedule get the nod instead, thereby leading to the great 2022 riot/apocalypse?

That all said, we just have to take it game by game, play hard, and if we keep piling up the wins, we'll give ourselves a chance. Plus if we were to win the non-Michigan games on our schedule, then that Illinois-Michigan game is almost a defacto Rose Bowl or better play in game! That's hard to even imagine.
 
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