danielb927
Orange Krush Class of 2013
- Rochester, MN
I hope Michigan stays #3. They probably won’t and we may slip to #6, but there is some good history to a #5 Illinois playing (and whupping) a #3 in a Final Four season...
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I did counter your points.
My point originally was that the top B10 teams(UM, OSU, us) would have nothing to gain in seeding by playing in the BTT- I stand by this. Let me explain:
UM is already a 1 seed- they obviously have nothing to gain
OSU vs IL will be determined when we play them the last game of the year- if they beat us and are 2-0 vs us, it won’t matter if we play them in the tourney and win, they would still be 2-1 against us and better body of work. If we beat them in Columbus, then we’re 1-1 with a better overall resume and finished ahead of them in the B10, we would be the 4th one seed, losing to them in the BTT wouldn’t change that- historically the committee just hasn’t valued the conference tourneys for seeding the top 4 lines- they are done with that by Saturday and only move teams if they really have to
You said “Why are some people so damn afraid of the BTT? With everyone being tested, it's highly unlikely that Covid just bounces from team to team.”
My point was that is not what people are worried about - Covid has not been spreading from team to team this year, but it only takes one positive test to ruin it for everyone. The NCAA has said they aren’t postponing games or waiting on any teams , if you can’t play you forfeit. You need 7 negative tests before even coming to Indianapolis.
The ultimate point is for the top teams why risk it? Who care who wins the BTT- all the top teams care about is the NCAA tourny.
I don't think we're on the same page. Losing to KU on it's own, not a killer, agreed.....although any dream of the overall #1 seed is gone barring some collapse by Gonzaga.
But my point was Baylor has 3 more very difficult games to go. And losing 3-of-the-4 to finish the regular season would not be "better" for Baylor in any sense.
I believe top teams would rather play, and get the experience and momentum that comes with playing such a fun and intense tournament. Otherwise they would sit for something like 10 says waiting for the tournament to start. Seems to me most athletes say they'd rather not just sit and wait for their next games.
That is true. I believe that OSU will beat Iowa as they are not playing well. OSU is still playing for the 1 seed overall
I agree, it will impact it greatly. It will determine the two other 1 seeds. We make it to the finals and beat OSU/MICH it should give us the 1 seed along with either MICH/OSU. I cannot believe Houston will be in the running
I know we have someone on here who runs probability stuff, so maybe they can help out with this, but if the Illini end up with the 2 seed, then I think they would play any combination of Wisconsin, Rutgers, Maryland, Michigan State, or Indiana as the winner coming out of the 7/10 game.
altenberger22
- South Carolina
Your comment is accurate. Those are all the possibilities provided we get the #2 seed. Purdue, Iowa and OSU should be out of the picture for our first game.
Rutgers is almost out of the picture as well. If they win out against Nebraska and Minnesota, and we win 1 or 2 games, then Rutgers is a 6 seed. If we win 1 or 2 games and Rutgers loses either or both games, then Rutgers is an 8 seed. Only if we lose both games, AND Iowa beats OSU and Rutgers wins out, do we finish with a 2 seed to Rutgers 7 seed.
Out of the five possibilities, Wisconsin, Rutgers, Maryland, MSU and Indiana, I think Rutgers is the team I'd least like to face as a 2 seed in the Friday game. Ron Harper Jr seems to be an extremely streaky player, but he always does well against Illinois.
Michigan, OSU, and Illinois cannot all get 1 seeds. Therefore, the BTT will be a deciding factor in who is seeded where. It is your opinion that it will come down to the OSU/Illinois regular season game but if Ayo misses the next two games and is back for the BTT, there will be weight put on those games. Iowa, Purdue, and Wisconsin are still "top" teams who will get an opportunity to move up seed lines. Iowa is anywhere from a 2 to a 4 seed.
Your comments regarding the BTT and seeding are 1) not necessarily accurate because there has never been a situation where three Big Ten teams were potentially fighting for two 1 seeds and 2) very irrelevant given the impact Covid has had on this season and the number of games teams have played. Usually there are about 30 games of data but this year, some teams may have in the lower 20s.
1 positive test wouldn't ruin it for the rest of the conference. What are you talking about? There are literally conference tournaments being played this week and next and there will be plenty of information on whether or not rhese tournaments are causing issues.
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Funny thing is that nearly every team in the tournament will get to experience the BTT in a way. With about 10 B1G teams expected in the tourney and so many of them playing well, the road to a national championship is likely through about 3 B1G teams. Each quadrant will have 2.5 B1G teams, and there is a good chance any non B1G team will have to play a B1G team to get to (and/or past) the final 4. Possibly even for the championship. Crazy.
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I hope we get ten teams in, but a lot of current projections are showing 7 or 8 teams getting in. The league has been eating it's own the last couple weeks.
I can't tell you how much I would love to see an all B1G final 4.
Mostly, it's been Minnesota and Indiana taking dives of late, replaced by Maryland and Michigan State. Even in Minnesota's free fall, they are still in consideration in most places, and Indiana is still among the first 4 out at this point (though their schedule continues to not get easier).
At worst, there are 11 B1G teams in contention for the NCAA, with 8 or 9 making it.
I'm not sure if we want West Virginia to beat Baylor on Tuesday or not.
Why would you not? Game it out for me
Because West Virginia is on the heels of Illinois in the rankings.
And? They're not going to leapfrog us. I'm worried about passing teams in front of us, which remains a real possibility.
pruman91
- Paducah, Ky
Indiana misses more close in 3-5 foot shots than any other team in my recent memory banks.......corrupt as they are............
lstewart53x3
- Scottsdale, Arizona
Might be better for us for West Virginia to lose that game. Even if Baylor loses out, which is unlikely, we’re not going to pass them.
West Virginia is currently on a 3 game win streak. They’re one of the few teams that could leap frog us if we lose the next 2 & they beat Baylor.
If Baylor loses out and we win out, I guarantee we pass them.
I think you contradict yourself here. It's absolutely not true that conference tourneys don't impact top seeding, and the committee has said after release that they've issued place-holders depending on who does what in conference tournaments. I'm sure the amount of contingency is limited to the most relevant case, but it does happen. The BigTen is notable in that the Sunday game just before release of the bracket has been excluding from seeding.
I also think you lose a ton of credibility when you say who cares who wins the BTT. You may not, but you're in the minority as a fan, and certainly out of step with the players and coaches.
lstewart53x3
- Scottsdale, Arizona
I suppose it’s possible but highly unlikely that either of those happen.
Iowa playing itself onto the 2 line today. UM and UI on 1, OSU and Iowa on 2 could very realistically all end up in the FF
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