Chicago Bears 2015-2016

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Illwinsagain said:
They could have cut him last Winter, if they had any alternative. They simply do not have anyone that they would rather have that was available. Someone has to play QB, and getting a durable average QB is not easy. Also, I will take the over on 6 wins.
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They couldn't have cut him this past winter. That's the point. His contract is guaranteed upfront. No FO would eat that kind of money.


6 wins would be an overachieving season. The Bears are going to be bad this season. Be prepared.
 
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Illiniaaron said:
I think ChampaignChris was basically correct in his ranking of NFL qb's and where Cutler sits among them. Cutler has been with the Bears so long now that those fans who like him and those who don't have formed concrete opinions about him. I think those who don't like him are disappointed that he never developed into an elite quarterback when hopes were so high after he came over from Denver. His jerky demeanor doesn't help his popularity. Also we are now seeing the third front office Cutler has played under and none of them has shown any interest in acquiring another qb through the draft or trade that could at least compete with Cutler which is also frustrating to some.
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He put Cutler in front of both Manning brothers and Joe Flacco. Come on, man. It was a silly list.
 
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Bronson said:
He put Cutler in front of both Manning brothers and Joe Flacco. Come on, man. It was a silly list.
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Eli Manning is not a better qb right now than Cutler. You are blinded by Cutler hatred if you feel otherwise. Flacco is just as up and down as Cutler is. Peyton could not throw the ball 20 yards at the end of last season. He does look better this preseason but his career will be over soon.
 
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Do not get into a debate about Jay Cutler. There's a certain segment of the base who remain enamored with mediocrity.

Joe Flacco is "up-and-down"? Based on what metric? One bad season ('13). It's amazing how little some know about football.
 
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KBLEE

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Bronson said:
6 wins would be an overachieving season. The Bears are going to be bad this season. Be prepared.
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I don't really agree with this. 6-7 wins should be about right and I could easily see them winning 8. They won 5 games last year. The new coaching staff should be worth at least 2.

BTW, the last over/under I saw was at 7 wins.
 
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Illwinsagain

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Bronson said:
They couldn't have cut him this past winter. That's the point. His contract is guaranteed upfront. No FO would eat that kind of money.


6 wins would be an overachieving season. The Bears are going to be bad this season. Be prepared.
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My memory, which can be sketchy, is that they could have dumped him or traded him prior to early Feb and eat about $10M. He makes a lot more than that this season, enough to hire someone to hold the spot warm until the draft. Cutler is not the worst part of this team. Not the best, but not the worst. FO had much bigger issues to deal with, since they had something like half the team as a free agent.
 
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Bronson said:
Do not get into a debate about Jay Cutler. There's a certain segment of the base who remain enamored with mediocrity.

Joe Flacco is "up-and-down"? Based on what metric? One bad season ('13). It's amazing how little some know about football.
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Hey I'm definitely not enamored with Cutler. Just look at the facts. Flacco has played in a lot of playoff games, but Cutler has a career completion % of 61.7, 183TD, 130 Int with a QB rating of 85.2. Flacco is 60.6%, 148-90 and 84.8. Big difference. I recommend you buy a tv and watch some games.
 
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Illiniaaron said:
Hey I'm definitely not enamored with Cutler. Just look at the facts. Flacco has played in a lot of playoff games, but Cutler has a career completion % of 61.7, 183TD, 130 Int with a QB rating of 85.2. Flacco is 60.6%, 148-90 and 84.8. Big difference. I recommend you buy a tv and watch some games.
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In an age where so many advanced metrics are available, why does anyone still insist that there's value in QB ratings? Silliness abound!

I'll take Flacco, the guy who's started EVERY GAME in his 7 year career, where's he's taken his team to the playoffs in 6 of his 7 seasons; who's team has a career regular-season record of 72-40; who's team has a career 10-5 record in the playoffs, including a Super Bowl victory, for which he was named MVP; who's had just 1 season of more than 12 interceptions...

Over Cutler, a QB who's only been to the playoffs in 1 season out of 9; who's led the league in interceptions twice.


Cutler has played on teams with tremendous defenses, he's had dynamic players on offense - yet he continues to stare in the mirror at mediocrity.

To simply post stats without analysis is aggressive in its laziness. Cutler's stats are full of fluff pieces. How many games last season did Cutler pad stats against an opposing defense who had a gigantic lead, allowing Cutler to throw at will, victory in hand? Remember Green Bay? The Saints?


Ah, poppy seeds. They sucked me in again. Jay Cutler fanboys: in love with perpetual shat.
 
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Bronson said:
In an age where so many advanced metrics are available, why does anyone still insist that there's value in QB ratings? Silliness abound!

I'll take Flacco, the guy who's started EVERY GAME in his 7 year career, where's he's taken his team to the playoffs in 6 of his 7 seasons; who's team has a career regular-season record of 72-40; who's team has a career 10-5 record in the playoffs, including a Super Bowl victory, for which he was named MVP; who's had just 1 season of more than 12 interceptions...

Over Cutler, a QB who's only been to the playoffs in 1 season out of 9; who's led the league in interceptions twice.


Cutler has played on teams with tremendous defenses, he's had dynamic players on offense - yet he continues to stare in the mirror at mediocrity.

To simply post stats without analysis is aggressive in its laziness. Cutler's stats are full of fluff pieces. How many games last season did Cutler pad stats against an opposing defense who had a gigantic lead, allowing Cutler to throw at will, victory in hand? Remember Green Bay? The Saints?


Ah, poppy seeds. They sucked me in again. Jay Cutler fanboys: in love with perpetual shat.
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Wow, you are painting me as a Cutler lover which I am not. I wish the Bears had gone a different direction seasons ago. Thanks for using such advanced metrics as won-loss record and number of playoff games played, which I already conceded in my previous post. And your rambling musings about games in which the Bears were behind big last season allowing Cutler to pass at will? At Green Bay last year Cutler was throwing garbage time int's for td's. Please, try watching some games. Cutler did not start getting any "dynamic" players on offense until the last few years, unless you count guys like Johnny Knox as Hall of Famers. And the Bears had all those pro-bowlers on the o-line all those years. No kidding Flacco has been in more playoff games, mainly because Baltimore has had better teams than the Bears. The question is who is the better qb right now. If I had to choose I would probably take Flacco, but the margin is very slim.
 
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Illiniaaron said:
Hey I'm definitely not enamored with Cutler. Just look at the facts. Flacco has played in a lot of playoff games, but Cutler has a career completion % of 61.7, 183TD, 130 Int with a QB rating of 85.2. Flacco is 60.6%, 148-90 and 84.8. Big difference. I recommend you buy a tv and watch some games.
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You're saying that there isn't much difference between a guy who gave up 130 picks vs a guy who threw 90?

That stat right there (let alone Cutler blaming everyone else for his INTs) is the major difference between the two.
 
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Illwinsagain

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OK, after watching the past two weeks, I am even more concerned about the O-line than before. Maybe we really will be THAT bad.
 
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Illiniaaron said:
Hey I'm definitely not enamored with Cutler. Just look at the facts. Flacco has played in a lot of playoff games, but Cutler has a career completion % of 61.7, 183TD, 130 Int with a QB rating of 85.2. Flacco is 60.6%, 148-90 and 84.8. Big difference. I recommend you buy a tv and watch some games.
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Flacco is not a very good QB. He got lucky throwing the ball up to Boldin and made a SB run. The defense is what made him look good.
 
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Forte was stellar beginning his contract year. Cutler 65.3 passer rating and 17-35 passing won't cut it. Rodgers makes his receivers look good. Jones gets cut by the Giants, comes back to GB and looks great, and no Jordy is no problem for the Pack. Guess CHI needs a deep threat, which would have been White if healthy.
 
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Sybok said:
Flacco is not a very good QB. He got lucky throwing the ball up to Boldin and made a SB run. The defense is what made him look good.
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What an incredibly misinformed statement.

Flacco threw for 11 TDs in the playoffs on the way to a Super Bowl victory. Of those 11 TDs, 4 were to Boldin. And for a guy who was simply "throwing the ball up", Flacco's 0 interceptions in 126 attempts is quite impressive.

And that defense you speak of. It gave up over 21 PTS a game. It wasn't even a top 10 defense.
 
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IlliniFaninHoosierLand

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HeartofaChampion said:
Forte was stellar beginning his contract year. Cutler 65.3 passer rating and 17-35 passing won't cut it. Rodgers makes his receivers look good. Jones gets cut by the Giants, comes back to GB and looks great, and no Jordy is no problem for the Pack. Guess CHI needs a deep threat, which would have been White if healthy.
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Actually Marquess Wilson can be that deep threat. He's still coming back from the hamstring injury he was dealing with in the preseason.

I thought Cutler looked perfectly fine today. Aside from the one INT throw, he did a really good job of managing the game and not forcing any throws when he didn't need to.

The defense is still a work in progress but this game gave some positives that Bears fans can look forward to this season.
 
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Bronson said:
What an incredibly misinformed statement.

Flacco threw for 11 TDs in the playoffs on the way to a Super Bowl victory. Of those 11 TDs, 4 were to Boldin. And for a guy who was simply "throwing the ball up", Flacco's 0 interceptions in 126 attempts is quite impressive.

And that defense you speak of. It gave up over 21 PTS a game. It wasn't even a top 10 defense.
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Let us know when the only passes a QB throws are of the TD variety. He got on a hot streak putting the ball up for grabs and letting Boldin go get it. Perhaps you weren't born yet and can only look at the stats from that season.
 
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Ransom Stoddard

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Sybok said:
Let us know when the only passes a QB throws are of the TD variety. He got on a hot streak putting the ball up for grabs and letting Boldin go get it. Perhaps you weren't born yet and can only look at the stats from that season.
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I still don't understand why we're discussing Flacco in a Bears thread. Bronson is right, Flacco takes care of the ball, makes good decisions, and engineered great TD drives during the playoffs. I'll take the kind of overrated for the Bears, rather than Jay "Mr. Turnover" Cutler.