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NarrowJ
AZILL said:
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Bad phrasing. First of all, not all readers are going to take an insiders info the same way. I can tell easily that you take their statements way differently than I do. I don't think anyone is being misled in an intentional way. Feeling misled is 100% dependent upon how much importance the reader chooses to apply to them. Today's possibilities are different from yesterdays, and tomorrows will be different than todays. Things change, sometimes slowly, often quickly. All Illini fans should know this, lol.
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I, myself, have never felt misled because I take it all with a huge grain of salt

But there are so many poor folks on here who get swept up in 'FIRE THE COACHING STAFF!!!' stuff that gets posted on here every other day by someone who supposedly is plugged into said staff that he hates and wants fired

I'm simply saying to others: don't be so gullible
 
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OrangeBlue98
Illinifrank67 said:
coyote ugly GIF


Anyone?
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Paging @pruman91 . Pru, come in . . . ;)
 
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Chillinini
BashCtIllini said:
Do they not think those changes to staff could help them fill out the roster?

Seems a backwards approach.
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They come to Illinois because of HC.

Assistants have the connections, but in the long run, they play for a BU, Cal, Pitino, Oats, Self, Scheyer, Mr Furley, Sampson, etc. The HC closes the deal with said player. Not an assistant.

When my son was recruited for baseball, his main connection had to be the HC.
 
#82      
BrimfieldBomber
I'm not sure how many Assistants tag along with the HC to the Final Four each year (for non participating programs), but I'm willing to guess there's an intended effort for seeking Networking opportunities, so Brad has a way to professionally look out for someone who might be asked to not come back. Timing here somewhat why no coaching changes have been announced before roster acquisitions.
 
#84      
IlliniFan42
It can also be as simple as the school year isn't over yet. There might be guys out there who have/want to wait until say May 1, potentially have contract terms that state as much. (Underwood for example has language in his contract like that, for example.)
 
#85      
Illini 993
RabidDawgClassic said:
My issues are less with the honest discussions about what needs to be changed defensively — something obviously needs to be done there — and more so about the sophomoric sniping and juvenile name calling. It reeks of Biff Tannen surrounded by his group of sycophantic yes men lackeys.

I seriously doubt most people here would even know what Hamer’s role on the staff would be without one very vocal, and very influential person’s opinion of him. And I respect that person’s take. He’s connected and has a level of insight that most of us don’t. It’s the rest of you who just accept it at face value and pile on as if his thoughts are yours.

As for the leggings? Come on… that’s middle school girls level of sniping. And I suspect most if you who are piling in that ridiculous train are hardly fine fashion specimens yourself — probably wearing the same worn out hoodie for the fifth day in a row and undersized jeans exposing a massive beer gut. Reeks of jealousy, if you ask me.
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Pot ... meet kettle, LOL.
 
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OrangeKrush1981
Chillinini said:
They come to Illinois because of HC.
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That's one aspect of recruiting.

Another aspect involves digging into the detailed background of potential recruits. Done well, that takes a lot of time. Assistant coaches can and should help with that work. If not, miss-evaluations may occur.
 
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CoalCity
OrangeKrush1981 said:
That's one aspect of recruiting.

Another aspect involves digging into the detailed background of potential recruits. Done well, that takes a lot of time. Assistant coaches can and should help with that work. If not, miss-evaluations may occur.
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Did you ever stop to think that maybe that's what the GA's are for? Preliminary screening before bringing someone to coaching staff for further evaluation. Full assistants aren't doing that until things get farther down the line
 
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OrangeKrush1981
CoalCity said:
Did you ever stop to think that maybe that's what the GA's are for? Preliminary screening before bringing someone to coaching staff for further evaluation. Full assistants aren't doing that until things get farther down the line
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Nah, thinking is too much work.

Besides, I was thinking about phone calls, not online work. Where contacts might matter.
 
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BashCtIllini
Chillinini said:
They come to Illinois because of HC.

Assistants have the connections, but in the long run, they play for a BU, Cal, Pitino, Oats, Self, Scheyer, Mr Furley, Sampson, etc. The HC closes the deal with said player. Not an assistant.

When my son was recruited for baseball, his main connection had to be the HC.
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that has never been the case with basketball. Yes you have to have faith in the head coach, but assistants have always brought in recruits. Look no further than Hansberry and Harris leaving as soon as Frazier left.
 
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skyIdub
RabidDawgClassic said:
My issues are less with the honest discussions about what needs to be changed defensively — something obviously needs to be done there — and more so about the sophomoric sniping and juvenile name calling. It reeks of Biff Tannen surrounded by his group of sycophantic yes men lackeys.

I seriously doubt most people here would even know what Hamer’s role on the staff would be without one very vocal, and very influential person’s opinion of him. And I respect that person’s take. He’s connected and has a level of insight that most of us don’t. It’s the rest of you who just accept it at face value and pile on as if his thoughts are yours.

As for the leggings? Come on… that’s middle school girls level of sniping. And I suspect most if you who are piling in that ridiculous train are hardly fine fashion specimens yourself — probably wearing the same worn out hoodie for the fifth day in a row and undersized jeans exposing a massive beer gut. Reeks of jealousy, if you ask me.
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Is this is better than sophomoric sniping? Like...senior sniping? Community College sniping?

I need to recalibrate my hand held Snipemaster Snipe-O-matic Name Calling Meter™.
 
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FAR Penthouse
LvilleILL1 said:
Changes to the staff will be made. Brad/OA/Geoff are focused on filling out the roster first.
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That's good to hear. Stubborn or not Brad would have to be a complete fool to retain Hamer in his current position. This discussion isn't new. There was plenty of talk last year about available defensive assistant coach upgrades.
 
#95      
EyeoftheIllini
Second place is 1st loser said:
I ask you this because I'm genuinely inquisitive. I actually ask this of the whole board. Did you even know who Hamer was before the insiders (one in particular) consistently went after him during the season?

I think that the vast majority of people never knew the guy existed, but because the season was a bumpy ride, he's the whipping boy. Well, Ben too, but this is about Hamer.

Did you, or anyone else that wants to answer, know this dude even existed?
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Did anyone know our assistant coaches? Huh? Pretty insulting question if you ask me. There are freaking 5 assistant coaches. We’re not talking about the assistant athletic trainer for volleyball here. Maybe you have trouble keeping up with 5 ACs for MBB, but I assure you plenty on here don’t.
 
#96      
Battle89
RabidDawgClassic said:
But by your own words, you saw him as a convenient target of Brad’s ire, not necessarily deserving of it. Has your current opinion of him been formed by independent research and fact gathering or by the mob mentality of this board’s echo chamber?
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Rabid, your initial longer post was very well written. Agree with the sentiments and don't want to detract from that.

But you have said this twice now. Talk about expectations...what do you want people here to do? Take a semester class on basketball Xs and Os? DVR every game and break down the defenses, and then come back here to report? That's for the coaches to do and the insiders (whatever their affiliation and desire to share) to report here. Of course they are a big point of reference but it is up to every individual here to filter accordingly.

To my untrained eye our defense was crap this year, I've posted a million times here on it. Sometimes I was in the majority and sometimes (NW game in Champaign) I was in the minority. I don't need training to see that a drop and chase defense is awful, how do you guard from behind? And really all the opponent has to do (Purdue was best at this) is come to a stop suddenly, we run into them, foul on us.

Agree the leggings meme has run its course but more importantly to me it is shorthand for a coach for whom the players have no respect, which is a big problem in and of itself. Yes the buck stops at Brad but we are not (and should not) be making a change there, so Hamer it is.
 
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Chillinini
BashCtIllini said:
that has never been the case with basketball. Yes you have to have faith in the head coach, but assistants have always brought in recruits. Look no further than Hansberry and Harris leaving as soon as Frazier left.
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Fair point. I still think Chet brought in guys to be “EDG”, to fit in with BU’s mantra. BU initially loved them. But then BU saw their limitations especially with Sencire. And therefore started to recruit over them. I don’t know, all I can tell is my son’s experience.

I do know of a big time sophomore recruit in my hometown and his father told me his son loves the HC, and that's what driving them.....it's not Illinois unfortunately, it's Miznoz.
 
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fuggles
Chillinini said:
They come to Illinois because of HC.

Assistants have the connections, but in the long run, they play for a BU, Cal, Pitino, Oats, Self, Scheyer, Mr Furley, Sampson, etc. The HC closes the deal with said player. Not an assistant.

When my son was recruited for baseball, his main connection had to be the HC.
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I pretty sure players came for OA. Maybe he is the exception. Also looks to me like some players came for TA and Chester.
 
#99      
foby
RabidDawgClassic said:
My issues are less with the honest discussions about what needs to be changed defensively — something obviously needs to be done there — and more so about the sophomoric sniping and juvenile name calling. It reeks of Biff Tannen surrounded by his group of sycophantic yes men lackeys.

I seriously doubt most people here would even know what Hamer’s role on the staff would be without one very vocal, and very influential person’s opinion of him. And I respect that person’s take. He’s connected and has a level of insight that most of us don’t. It’s the rest of you who just accept it at face value and pile on as if his thoughts are yours.

As for the leggings? Come on… that’s middle school girls level of sniping. And I suspect most if you who are piling in that ridiculous train are hardly fine fashion specimens yourself — probably wearing the same worn out hoodie for the fifth day in a row and undersized jeans exposing a massive beer gut. Reeks of jealousy, if you ask me.
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o brother where art thou dancing GIF

I am proud of my hillbilly fashion sense. My ability to be holier than thou. And my ability to throw out contradicting statements within the same post on multiple occasions without a any sense of irony.....oh wait, that last one isn't me.....
 
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