It’s looking official, Deion Sanders is joining the Big 12! Apparently Prime will bring with him the football team that he coaches at some sort of university or college.
Conference Realignment
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It’s looking official, Deion Sanders is joining the Big 12! Apparently Prime will bring with him the football team that he coaches at some sort of university or college.
TentakilRex
- Land O Insects between Quincy-Macomb-Jacksonville
More unfounded internet gossip (need some realignment insiders)
TentakilRex
- Land O Insects between Quincy-Macomb-Jacksonville
I really want to the B1G to stand pat here. I am perfectly happy with a 16-team conference. If the rest of the Pac 12 goes down in flames, so be it. The B1G doesn't need to willy nilly take in schools just to take them.
Now, if ND wants in, and the B1G needs an 18th team, my guess is Stanford. The academics would LOVE to have highfalutin' Stanford in the B1G.
Don't do a thing unless/if/until ND comes hat in hand to Rosemont.
Now, if ND wants in, and the B1G needs an 18th team, my guess is Stanford. The academics would LOVE to have highfalutin' Stanford in the B1G.
Don't do a thing unless/if/until ND comes hat in hand to Rosemont.
Shief
- Champaign Area
Why do I hear the Game of Thrones theme? Banners and alliances (schools and conferences) wanted to work together, until individual banners (schools) wanted to stake their own claim to the coveted throne (prestige, money, etc.). Now, old alliances (conferences) are falling apart but new ones are forming, at least for now. Lol.
The B1G will wait for the ACC to implode and go after FSU, UNC, Miami and (obviously ND). Perhaps GT or VA, but the key there is getting into Florida and the southeast markets.
redwingillini11
White and Sixth
- North Aurora
I don't know if Oregon and Washington can afford to wait and hope and pray for a B1G invite. It's just not happening. Maybe they don't have to rush, because the invite will always be there, but I don't see why there is any reason not to make the move to the Big 12 at this point. Its their best available option.
Shief
- Champaign Area
You might be right Redwing, about Oregon and Washington going to the Big 12 instead. If the Colorado news officially breaks today, I'll need to get some popcorn ready.
I’ve given up trying to understand what kind of financial and institutional incentives could have produced this. But it is objectively not fun. There are maybe 3 or 4 moderately interesting rivalries here and by “moderately interesting” I mean something like Kansas-Kansas State, a series that has pitted two bowl-bound teams against each other a total of four times in the last 30 years.
ChiefGritty
- Chicago, IL
To kinda flesh that out, the thing all the B12 and P12 schools need to digest is that it's over, they're done, none of them will ever be top tier conference members again, period, end of story.
The horrible Frankenstein no one will love or care about that they will create over the coming weeks will minimize the bleeding in the short term, but the B1G and SEC will just open the revenue gap more and more and more.
But there's a silver lining, which is that college sports as we know it is also over, the whole concept of a conference is dead, the B1G and SEC are ALSO horrible Frankensteins no one loves or cares about, and they have left an awful lot of meat on the carcass of college sports.
Rather than acting like crabs in a bucket as they are currently, by working together and thinking more innovatively, the doomed remnants of the P12, B12, and ACC collectively have a national scale that could offer opportunities to sell a product to TV (the only thing that matters) in ways the B1G and SEC aren't positioned to do.
The two big ideas that spring to mind would be a collective system of promotion and relegation in football that offers bigger competitive stakes in the regular season than the NFL-ization the big two have committed to, as well as a best-on-best centralization for scheduling purposes that will maximize the broadcast potential as well as the positioning of the top teams to secure lucrative slots in the CFP.
Then in men's basketball you could take your elite brands that the Big Two left behind (Duke, UNC, Kansas, Arizona, Oregon for a Nike sponsorship, add Gonzaga as a basketball-only member, say Syracuse, Baylor, Louisville, Houston, any size will do really) and separate them into their own basketball-only competition pushing for the highest standard of play and trying to work together on NIL deals to keep star players who aren't immediate top 5 type NBA picks in the league to develop the sustained teams and storylines the sport has been missing.
No combination of these schools in a conventional conference is offering TV anything they will ever pay anything close to B1G/SEC money for. End of discussion, period, all hopes and make-believe to the contrary are a total waste of time. That path is over forever. Honestly they're probably doomed even with the ideas I'm proposing. But they would be offering TV something novel and interesting, a better product than just being a conventional B league to the bigger conferences.
How do you divvy up the money? Well, there's the hard part. But if you can put more money in the top of the funnel versus the doomed alternative, the hard part gets a tiny bit easier.
I'm standing pat on my prediction. I'm leaning a little more in that Oregon gets in and possibly ASU. Coming a little sooner than expected too.
Amazing how the worm has turned.
Just 2 years ago when Texas and Oklahoma announced for SEC it looked like B12 would implode and schools were begging for invitations to Pac12.
However Pac12 was complacent and rebuffed the B12 schools. Now Pac 12 lost their SoCal crown jewels USC and UCLA and the writing is on the wall.
JMO but if I was Pac 12 commissioner I would call B12 and offer to do 100% merger to form a super conference right now. I am sure Washington and Oregon are on phone with B10 offering to take lower payouts for first six years like MD, Rutgers, and Nebraska did when they joined. It worked out brilliantly for MD, Rutgers and Nebraska. If Pac12 loses Washington and Oregon their negotiating position gets much worse.
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.......Rutgers and Maryland did not have any leverage,” DiNardo told NJ Advance Media. “Nebraska, Coach Osborne thought Texas and Texas A&M were going to go to the Pac-12 and that Nebraska was not going to have a home. … That’s a lot different than USC and UCLA. You cut whatever deal you can. The Big Ten cut a deal with Rutgers, Nebraska and Maryland that benefitted both sides. I’m guessing UCLA and USC said ‘we’ll only come if we get a full share right away.’ Leverage.” UCLA and USC will avoid the pitfalls that Rutgers and Maryland had to traverse in their transition to the Big Ten. In order to remain competitive with the rest of the conference while awaiting its full membership, Rutgers took advances on its future distributions as well as a $38 million loan from the league; the Terrapins also took out loans from the league. As a result, Rutgers owed $48 million to the league as of 2020, while Maryland owed nearly $120.5 million, per The Athletic. Rutgers is not going to receive a full share of its revenue distribution until 2027.....
www.nj.com
Just 2 years ago when Texas and Oklahoma announced for SEC it looked like B12 would implode and schools were begging for invitations to Pac12.
However Pac12 was complacent and rebuffed the B12 schools. Now Pac 12 lost their SoCal crown jewels USC and UCLA and the writing is on the wall.
JMO but if I was Pac 12 commissioner I would call B12 and offer to do 100% merger to form a super conference right now. I am sure Washington and Oregon are on phone with B10 offering to take lower payouts for first six years like MD, Rutgers, and Nebraska did when they joined. It worked out brilliantly for MD, Rutgers and Nebraska. If Pac12 loses Washington and Oregon their negotiating position gets much worse.
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.......Rutgers and Maryland did not have any leverage,” DiNardo told NJ Advance Media. “Nebraska, Coach Osborne thought Texas and Texas A&M were going to go to the Pac-12 and that Nebraska was not going to have a home. … That’s a lot different than USC and UCLA. You cut whatever deal you can. The Big Ten cut a deal with Rutgers, Nebraska and Maryland that benefitted both sides. I’m guessing UCLA and USC said ‘we’ll only come if we get a full share right away.’ Leverage.” UCLA and USC will avoid the pitfalls that Rutgers and Maryland had to traverse in their transition to the Big Ten. In order to remain competitive with the rest of the conference while awaiting its full membership, Rutgers took advances on its future distributions as well as a $38 million loan from the league; the Terrapins also took out loans from the league. As a result, Rutgers owed $48 million to the league as of 2020, while Maryland owed nearly $120.5 million, per The Athletic. Rutgers is not going to receive a full share of its revenue distribution until 2027.....
USC, UCLA will receive full Big Ten revenue share before Rutgers: Here’s why
Big Ten Commissioner Kevin Warren discussed why USC, UCLA got different treatment than previous expansion teams entering the league.
www.nj.com
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I'm a little surprised the SEC isn't being more aggressive - at least publicly. Not that they ever have to worry about being the next Pac12 and adding TX and OK were great additions, but I just think the future in being more national, than regional, puts you in a stronger position. SEC may be looking at just athletics where it seems the B1G may be taking a more wholistic approach.
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I don't see the SEC being aggressive at this point. I also see them attempting to be a southern-based conference. I don't see them picking up the phone if Pac-12 schools call, for instance. The SEC is king of the mountain and I don't see that changing (unless a Larry Scott-type becomes SEC commissioner and butchers the golden goose).
Right now, the SEC can sit back, use $100 bills for toilet paper and pick schools of their choosing if and when ACC schools get twitchy.
20/20 hindsight the Missouri and Texas A&M moves to SEC look very smart. I think Texas A&M could have joined any conference they wanted. It would have been prescient if B10 had picked up Texas A&M in 2012. Then maybe we get Texas in 2021.
The SEC could bring on some combination of Oklahoma State. Texas Tech, Baylor, Kansas or West Virgina. There are natural geographic rivalries with SEC schools. Oklahoma State has the best football program selling out 59,000 seats. Pickens money helps.
I am not sure they would see value in Kansas State (last year was 1000 year storm) Iowa State or any of new members TCU, Brigham Young, UCF,or Cincinnati, or Houston.
The SEC could bring on some combination of Oklahoma State. Texas Tech, Baylor, Kansas or West Virgina. There are natural geographic rivalries with SEC schools. Oklahoma State has the best football program selling out 59,000 seats. Pickens money helps.
I am not sure they would see value in Kansas State (last year was 1000 year storm) Iowa State or any of new members TCU, Brigham Young, UCF,or Cincinnati, or Houston.
The B1G and SEC might have moved slowly, but it was only because the B1G and SEC didn’t have to move for anybody.
ChiefGritty
- Chicago, IL
It's so funny how this all becomes personalized and cliquey and gossip-y like this. Oh, George Klivakoff, what a loser, I want to go to prom with Brett Yormark.
These guys are all idiots in the way all modern American businessmen are idiots, and they're all ideologically committed to destroying college sports.
Larry Scott at least had a sharp enough vision of the future to attempt the Pac 16, which would have happened if ESPN hadn't frantically bribed Texas to kill it, and which presented a brighter future for the sport as a whole (not to mention that conference) than where we have actually ended up.
They do have to move for each other. I'm also a little surprised TX never seemed to be rumored to the B1G. Maybe they were hitched to OU?
ChiefGritty
- Chicago, IL
The battle between the B1G and SEC will be fought on two fronts: the TV ratings between the B1G network tripleheader and first tier SEC/ESPN/ABC games, and the number of slots the conferences are able to acquire in the 12-team playoff.
There's more to both of those than expansion stuff, but the important thing to note is that none of the P12/B12 remnants offers any help whatsoever in either regard.
North Carolina is the school I’m going for if I’m the big ten. Pulls in the southeast market. Charlotte is becoming a large market. Add in Raleigh, Charleston and southern Virginia and you have lots of local interest in UNC (I live in Charlotte now). Good academics, basketball and an active donor base. Could also convince a Miami or FSU to follow to claim Florida market.
Mr. Tibbs
- southeast DuPage
trouble is any school in the ACC has signed away their tv rights to all their home games for like 12 more years . the money for a buy out anytime soon will be pretty expensive for those schools
JMO - this is perfect time for B10 to raid the Pac12.
To avoid dilution I would put in contract reduced payments for first 6 years just like we did for MD, Rutgers and Nebraska
I would be completely TV market driven and take 2 of 3 right now . This would create a nice west coast od for UCLA and USC
-- Stanford #10 TV market SF area
-- Arizona State #11 TV market Phoenix
-- Washington #12 TV market Seattle
this is where it gets more iffy.
-- Oregon #22 TV market Portland
The big TV markets B10 is not a major player
#1 NY
#5 DFW
#6 Atlanta
#7 Houston
#13 Tampa
#17 Orlando
#18 Miami
To avoid dilution I would put in contract reduced payments for first 6 years just like we did for MD, Rutgers and Nebraska
I would be completely TV market driven and take 2 of 3 right now . This would create a nice west coast od for UCLA and USC
-- Stanford #10 TV market SF area
-- Arizona State #11 TV market Phoenix
-- Washington #12 TV market Seattle
this is where it gets more iffy.
-- Oregon #22 TV market Portland
The big TV markets B10 is not a major player
#1 NY
#5 DFW
#6 Atlanta
#7 Houston
#13 Tampa
#17 Orlando
#18 Miami
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