Big Ten said it had no plans for further expansion … before the Colorado news
Does the possibility of Colorado to the #Big12 mean the #B1G (and other conferences) will expand?
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There are more rumblings about FSU exiting the ACC before Aug 15th, perhaps even Miami too.
Things could get interesting again.
Things could get interesting again.
ChiefGritty
- Chicago, IL
Delaying dilution does not avoid dilution.
Mr. Tibbs
- southeast DuPage
this
we aren’t taking any new members if they aren’t wholeheartedly blessed by the TV gods regarding money
ND and a few other schools in certain markets do that . it’s a short list
ChiefGritty
- Chicago, IL
If it were remotely possible it would have already happened.
The funny thing with the ACC at this point is, with the pathetic farce that's happening in the western half of the country and the ongoing collapse of the media industry, that may not end up looking like as bad of a deal relative to the competition in 2036 as it appears.
Who says ESPN is even solvent to hold up their end of the bargain by then?
Mr. Tibbs
- southeast DuPage
them leaving the B12 for Pac was a stupid move 15 years ago , and likely fueled by certain people in Denver metro thinking that culturally they were more like LA than they were mid USA Plains .
they only fooled themselves and they are now back where they belong . one of my sons spent 4 years at & graduated from OK St . I really like watching that brand of football , after ours of course
Fighter of the Nightman
- Chicago, IL
Yep, this stuff is fun to analyze, but the folks making the decision are pretty much looking at one thing. If the Big Ten currently shares $14 million in revenue and each school gets an even $1 million, the 15th school HAS to bring in more than $1 million on its own, otherwise we just add another mouth to feed. And the reason it's a short list is that your Ohio States of the world bring in well over $1 million and your Northwesterns of the world bring in significantly less ... so it's not like there is this large pool of schools who will bring in so much money that all of us current members get a higher payout with 15 schools than we do with 15.
ChiefGritty
- Chicago, IL
Hey but at least we got a short-term cash injection from Rutgers and Maryland that we'll be paying for for all eternity.
Mr. Tibbs
- southeast DuPage
the wishful thinking that Rutgers was going to open up the NYC & tri state markets to the B1G was a pipe dream
pretty much same story for Maryland with the DC Metro market
neither school would meet the standard today .
fwiw , 3-4 other B1G schools are lucky they got in when they did , 100 years ago
A reminder to all those who are waiting for the B1G to add new teams: The B1G never reacts. The B1G always makes the first move.
I grew up in Colorado and lived there my whole life up until around the same time CU bolted for the PAC-12. I can’t say I agree with this. The University of Colorado Boulder was always more culturally aligned with Cal and UW and Oregon than it was Oklahoma or Iowa State. It’s a research school with very high out-of-state enrollment (read: wealthy) and an outdoorsy active-lifestyle, extremely progressive campus community. Even 20-30 years ago, Coloradans felt kinship with other mountain states, not the Great Plains. John Denver made a whole career for himself by tapping into that sentiment. Obviously the move to the PAC-12 was a huge failure and money-loser for them but some of that had to do with the fact they hired a succession of truly abysmal coaches during their PAC-12 years. Just compare them with Utah, who came later with fewer resources and was vastly more sucessful. So yes I’m sure many at CU regret the move. But I think it’s revisionist to say their instincts were wrong when they moved west to a conference that was then bigger and better and more of a fit for the school overall.
The other thing is, the Big-12 they’re rejoining isn’t the same one they left. I don’t see who they’re going to be playing that is going to interest the fanbase. Nebraska (especially), Missouri, Texas, and Oklahoma are all gone. And I don’t think the Buffs faithful are going to consider a Saturday game against Cincinnati or Houston exactly must-see TV.
Mr. Tibbs
- southeast DuPage
just win baby , and the fans and eye balls follow
and
the grass is always greener on the other side of the fence , until you find out it’s due to the septic field
This is why at some point those schools that are at the bottom of the value list and taking up space in a conference are going to get swapped for schools that are less dilutive. There’s only so many seats available in the T2 conferences, and the revenue numbers need to keep going up and up to justify the existence of it.
We’re sitting on an ivory tower right now commenting about schools like Arizona and Kansas without realizing we may be fighting to hold our seat while schools like them knock on the door in the next round of this craziness.
ChiefGritty
- Chicago, IL
The breathlessness of the coverage is really funny.
USC and UCLA to the B1G is the last surprise there will ever be in this space. The dynamics at play have been obvious to anyone paying attention for more than a decade. All resistance to those dynamics died permanently with USC and UCLA. Conferences no longer exist as a concept. It's all just brands collaborating for media deals now. None of this is very interesting, really.
It's odd for me, I hate what this is doing to conferences and the regional rivalry aspect of college sports, but I find watching it all play out incredibly interesting.
I would like to see the Illini get semi-regular games vs. USC, UCLA, FSU, Miami, etc, assuming we can compete from the NIL side of things and don't get left in the dust. Glad we aren't in the Pac 12, Big 12 or ACC right now.
Regardless, there is no stopping any of this, it's in the hands of the media/networks, and those in power in the now "P2"
Shief
- Champaign Area
It's missing USC and UCLA but the tides are changing as banners (schools) change alliances (conferences). Congratulations to Colorado for returning to the Big 12, who from the Pac 12 will change their alliance (conference) next? Or, will someone from the ACC make the next move? Stay tuned and find out in college sports Game of Thrones!
Mr. Tibbs
- southeast DuPage
getting kicked out of a conference is 100x harder than getting in
it’s just about impossible
Big XII would like to add another of the other Four Corners schools with Arizona the most engaged according to Pete Thamel. Arizona's move would be more done from a basketball than football perspective. UConn may also be an option as well.
redwingillini11
White and Sixth
- North Aurora
I have absolutely no idea why UConn would be even being discussed at this moment. The Big 12 has their choice of any Pac-12 school, with Oregon, Washington, Arizona, Arizona State, and Utah all being more appealing options IMO. I can't imagine the Big 12 turning down any of those schools because they want UConn more.
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