I suppose, given enough time, ANY mascot could be an unfortunate reminder of a horrific past.
Conference Realignment
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TentakilRex
- Land O Insects between Quincy-Macomb-Jacksonville
ChiefGritty
- Chicago, IL
Just them?
As I said on day 1 of this saga, the biggest remaining brands in the B12/P12 should have left the conference carcasses behind (which the TV situation gave them the opportunity to do) and start their own thing.
This useless dance between having Oregon State or UCF siphon off their TV money is such a stupid, boring farce.
TentakilRex
- Land O Insects between Quincy-Macomb-Jacksonville
Thamel has the rep as the "this is for real" source, so this is merely the beginning of this story.
TentakilRex
- Land O Insects between Quincy-Macomb-Jacksonville
Weaker source, but been on the "Pac-12 is dying" train for a while especially with Colorado
Mr. Tibbs
- southeast DuPage
I’ll guess Stanford
Oregon is the only school cringey enough to leak rumor about a surprise here. Has to be them.
ChiefGritty
- Chicago, IL
It just becomes a question of how many the B12 is willing to take, if the understood terms of their TV deal is correct, that existing P5 schools can be brought aboard for an equal pro-rata share.
(You start to ponder the outer boundaries there. Why not just add them all? Then see if you can start working with ESPN to merge with the ACC and rationalize the whole thing under one mega-conference governance structure)
ACC has to do something major to get out the their TV contract. Maybe merging with Pac12 or Big12 will trigger a renegotiation clause. Each B10 school will earn ($67M-$23M) x 12 years = $528M more than if they were in ACC. Whoever negotiated the ACC contract really screwed up. Thank goodness B10 had Jim Delaney who had forsight to start the B10 network and negotiate the original TV contracts.
...While the ACC is stuck in its media rights deal with ESPN until 2036, the Big Ten and SEC will have new TV contracts beginning in 2023 and 2024, where each school in the respective conferences will earn $67 and $51 million per year. According to the conference's 2019 tax returns, each ACC school is only making $23.3 million...
www.dailytarheel.com
From geographical perspective UNC, Virginia, and Florida State should join SEC. From a large public university with academic strength they should join B10. Not sure B10 would want other ACC schools other than Notre Dame.
...While the ACC is stuck in its media rights deal with ESPN until 2036, the Big Ten and SEC will have new TV contracts beginning in 2023 and 2024, where each school in the respective conferences will earn $67 and $51 million per year. According to the conference's 2019 tax returns, each ACC school is only making $23.3 million...
Analysis: The ACC is trapped in an unfavorable TV deal. What can they do about it?
Realignment in the ACC isn’t coming anytime soon, but that isn’t stopping schools from beginning preliminary discussions on what their next move should be.
www.dailytarheel.com
From geographical perspective UNC, Virginia, and Florida State should join SEC. From a large public university with academic strength they should join B10. Not sure B10 would want other ACC schools other than Notre Dame.
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big 12 will be calling not the big 10
drsmitty74
- Rochester
I agree, but until then.....OSKEE WOW WOW! And I don't hold grudges at all. What I am holding on to, is just the memories of a lot of good times and why would I want to try and forget them by "moving on"?
TentakilRex
- Land O Insects between Quincy-Macomb-Jacksonville
A merger would be my preffered strategy btw.
There is one factor to consider (according to my Big 12 homies), when the Big 12 was on the ropes some of the Pac-12 members was not willing to offer membership to some Big 12 members at the time. Some of these schools (plus BYU) might have some not so good memories about certain Pac-12 schools and may not be in hurry to give them a life raft to the Big 12 now.
TV Markets B10 would like to get into (assuming no dilution)
- Texas (unfortunately two big dogs UT and TAM are already in SEC)
- Florida market (Florida State is possibility, no interest in Miami or UCF)
- Bay Area - Stanford and Cal Berkeley are not big enough TV draws Both are dilutive
- Northwest - Washington and Oregon best candidates if they are non dilutive.
- Southwest - Arizona State or Arizona could get you high growth Phoenix market. Taking both would be dilutive.
- Southeast - UNC bring you Charlotte. Not sure what UVA brings you.
Notre Dame is only school B10 could add immediately without being dilutive
If NW would give up Div 1 football and basketball it would open up a non dilutive slot for Washington or ASU immediately.
- Texas (unfortunately two big dogs UT and TAM are already in SEC)
- Florida market (Florida State is possibility, no interest in Miami or UCF)
- Bay Area - Stanford and Cal Berkeley are not big enough TV draws Both are dilutive
- Northwest - Washington and Oregon best candidates if they are non dilutive.
- Southwest - Arizona State or Arizona could get you high growth Phoenix market. Taking both would be dilutive.
- Southeast - UNC bring you Charlotte. Not sure what UVA brings you.
Notre Dame is only school B10 could add immediately without being dilutive
If NW would give up Div 1 football and basketball it would open up a non dilutive slot for Washington or ASU immediately.
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redwingillini11
White and Sixth
- North Aurora
If i am the other four corner schools I am racing to follow Colorado, which must mean Oregon and Washington are probably going to be forced to go as well. The four leftovers are future Mountain West members.
mattcoldagelli
- The Transfer Portal with Do Not Contact Tag
I think this misstates the dynamic a bit. We already could call any school in the conference. We basically told Oregon and Washington we'd maybe call them back at some point.
My son starts at GWU next month, so watch yourself there Gritty.
redwingillini11
White and Sixth
- North Aurora
Not sure they can afford to hold out of the PAC-12 is down to them, Wazzu, Oregon State, Cal and Stanford.
redwingillini11
White and Sixth
- North Aurora
Miami to the Big Ten is an inevitability. The interest is apparently mutual, while the SEC apparently isn’t interested. It’s going to happen, it’s just a matter of when.TV Markets B10 would like to get into (assuming no dilution)
- Texas (unfortunately two big dogs UT and TAM are already in SEC)
- Florida market (Florida State is possibility, no interest in Miami or UCF)
- Bay Area - Stanford and Cal Berkeley are not big enough TV draws Both are dilutive
- Northwest - Washington and Oregon best candidates if they are non dilutive.
- Southwest - Arizona State or Arizona could get you high growth Phoenix market. Taking both would be dilutive.
- Southeast - UNC bring you Charlotte. Not sure what UVA brings you.
Notre Dame is only school B10 could add immediately without being dilutive
If NW would give up Div 1 football and basketball it would open up a non dilutive slot for Washington or ASU immediately.
The WSU Cougs are as broke financially as Colorado. Might be them
Not sure University of Miami fits B10 profile
- private school
- only 16,000 students
- avg academically
- Alum John Ruiz spending crazy NIL for Miami football, basketball etc.
.....He says he’s invested between $12 million to $14 million in NIL deals...
theathletic.com
- private school
- only 16,000 students
- avg academically
- Alum John Ruiz spending crazy NIL for Miami football, basketball etc.
.....He says he’s invested between $12 million to $14 million in NIL deals...
A Q&A with NIL-bankroller John Ruiz on his role in Miami's Final Four run
Four prominent Hurricanes — Nijel Pack, Norchad Omier, Jordan Miller and Isaiah Wong — have NIL deals with Ruiz's company LIfeWallet.
theathletic.com
This is 100% true. Some Pac-12 waved AAU lacking at the B-XII and in general the attitude at UW was they would never deign to join this lesser conference nor allow its uneducated unwashed hicks into the mighty Pac-12. How the turn tables. My UW buddies are worried now about being left out of realignment entirely. Winding up in the Mountain West.
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