Illini Basketball 2022-2023

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I feel like people on here seem to forget Hawkins brought the ball up at times last year. While I am not advocating for that, I am using it to point out that as versatile as people say Rodgers is, Hawkins is just as much.

In my eyes, dude has 3 things to work on to be a legit NBA prospect.

1.) develop a consistent shot, especially from deep
2.) stop fouling so much
3.) most importantly, get his attitude fixed and his head in the game so he can stay on the court

A lineup on the court of:
TSJ
RJ
Mayer
Hawkins
Dainja (substitute Ty for Dain of you want)

That has to be one of the most switchable lineups in college basketball. The only question mark is Dain and Ty cause we havent seen them against college competition yet. If you think that, then throw in Goode. My point still stands. Hawkins is as versatile as Rodgers, and should, and probably will, start.
This is why we are going to be good. Switchable lineups. How are team’s scout teams going to practice 5 or 6 different types of lineups? Ty at the point, TJ at the point, Dain switching with Hawk, Skyy running the point, Harris posting low, Mayer jump shooting, RJ driving and Goode shooting threes? We will throw different looks throughout the game. I believe Rogers will be a beast by the end of the season. I believe Harris will get solid minutes. We will stifle offenses with out length and speed. Overall, the B1G will be weaker but we will be more Competitive.
 
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Hard to compare the relative quality of two players when basing the comparison on one playing Ecuador and the Dominican Republic and the other playing Indiana and Iowa.
I would say people are more basing it on Ty being on the 12 man roster for Team USA. Sure Ecuador and DR are not great but the competition to get on the team was. Was the 2005 team lower quality because the B1G was down that year?
 
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You must have missed 2005
I didn't miss 2005, I started my Illini love with the Eddie Johnson and Derek Harper era. My point was that the style of play that I like, fast and furious, swarming D, etc, might allow this team to play like the Flyin Illini team. That team scored 90+ points 13 times! The 2005 team was probably just as good, but different - they topped 90 5 times. I liked the 05 team a lot, but on style of play I prefer the 88-89 team.
 
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I believe El Gran is mostly correct, but there may be anywhere from 5 percent or less of the time that we don't choose to have Skyy or Epps in. Throwing in defensive wrinkles at certain points of the game can keep a team guessing and change momentum. If you're looking at a need for turnovers and transition basketball, I can see Ty, CoHawk, RJ, TSJ, and Mayer in there.

Then there are times when we can't choose. Such as Skyy in foul trouble and Epps tired/overmatched.
Or, heaven forfend, one of them might miss a game or games due to injury.
 
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"Hate to interrupt you size fantasies, but at least one of Skyy or Epps will be on the court at all times."

The implied question is who will bring the ball up against their ball hawking point guard? The answer is anyone not guarded by their ball hawking point guard! The question should be "Who is their point guard going to defend in the half court?". Not saying this will be the norm but to say that a true point guard will be on the floor at all times is short sighted.
Honestly if Dain is truly a point center, how many 5 men are gonna full court press him if he’s our primary handler? If you bring a smaller defender, he can body him or see over him and make whatever pass he needs to make. I’m running with this point center thing until I see otherwise in a game. The possibilities with that skill set are insane.
 
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Honestly if Dain is truly a point center, how many 5 men are gonna full court press him if he’s our primary handler? If you bring a smaller defender, he can body him or see over him and make whatever pass he needs to make. I’m running with this point center thing until I see otherwise in a game. The possibilities with that skill set are insane.
I mean, if you are being serious, if he is actually bringing the ball up more than like once a game, where he grabs a board and takes off, then he most definitely will have a smaller defender run at him and probably cause a turnover.
 
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I'm glad that we know that you are an M.E., as the number of likes on a message board is pretty flimsy evidence for anything.* I"m glad to know you're not an attorney. :D

* I'm one of the people who liked your post, and half of the time I don't know what I'm doing.
I can tell you from experience that being an ME and an attorney is like mixing oil and water. For an ME there is just one answer to every problem. To be a lawyer, you have to get rid of that idea that there is a correct answer, and realize that there are only arguments about why your answer (the one you are being paid to come up with) is better than the other guy's answer.
 
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I can tell you from experience that being an ME and an attorney is like mixing oil and water. For an ME there is just one answer to every problem. To be a liar, you have to get rid of that idea that there is a correct answer, and realize that there are only arguments about why your answer (the one you are being paid to come up with) is better than the other guy's answer.
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The Galloping Ghost

Washington, DC
Someone mentioned Ty filling the DMFW void in their heart. I am in full support of that because that hole is gaping.

As for CoHawk, the dude is going to be just fine. If he is “worse” than Ty then we are going to be really really good.

It’s my dream we put teams through 40 minutes of hell with full court pressure and in your face defense. We have the athletes now to out run anyone and create havoc everywhere.

Yeah, yeah but Underwood’s first couple seasons! Go look at those rosters and now look at this one.

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We are going to be good. Maybe not B1G champs good, but second weekend of the NCAA Tournament good.
It me. :)
 
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I’d argue that defender would be getting back in transition defense.
That's not what I am referring to. I am saying that it is possible that he brings the ball up maybe once a game off a rebound, to get out in transition, but there is no way he is a "point-center." The opposing coach would send a guy at him, and it'd likely cause a turnover. That's just my opinion.
 
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That's not what I am referring to. I am saying that it is possible that he brings the ball up maybe once a game off a rebound, to get out in transition, but there is no way he is a "point-center." The opposing coach would send a guy at him, and it'd likely cause a turnover. That's just my opinion.
Dainja is 6’9”. I don’t recall a lot of turnovers from sending smaller defenders at this 6’9” guy.
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I didn't miss 2005, I started my Illini love with the Eddie Johnson and Derek Harper era. My point was that the style of play that I like, fast and furious, swarming D, etc, might allow this team to play like the Flyin Illini team. That team scored 90+ points 13 times! The 2005 team was probably just as good, but different - they topped 90 5 times. I liked the 05 team a lot, but on style of play I prefer the 88-89 team.
I have a similar take. The 2005 team would've made John Wooden proud - that was BEAUTIFUL basketball... Basketball played at an extremely high level. A significant highlight of that year was the 15-pass set vs NW where we repeatedly passed up good looks for better looks.

The Flyin' Illini were a whole new thing. No one had ever seen a bunch of interchangeable 6'5"+ guys who could run, jump and defend like that. This is why DickieV always talks about them.

I was in awe of the 2021 Baylor team. So athletic. So fast. So strong. So tough. The 2005 team may or may not have beaten said Baylor squad, but they did not look anything like them. The 88-89 team is much closer.

I think this year's Illini will have a lot of similarities to that Baylor team. With Kofi gone, I think BU's teams will generally look like this going forward.
 
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Joseph Kerr

Fort Wayne, IN
Um, where has all the talk of 7 foot Goode gone? I mean, he could play center, even though I know everyone has him locked down at the 2 because of his elite athleticism. Also, where is the talk on Lieb as an all American? Show some love people, Lieb kool aid for everyone? Also, when our entire team goes to the NBA after week 6, don't sleep on the intramural team that we will use to win the big 10. There, that should end any silly talk until the next person says something because they day drink and you can't watch corn all day. :cool: Can you smell me, because I am the :poop:. At 5' 11" and 245 pounds, my growth plates are still open, although crudely becoming a perfect sphere was not the boy type I was shooting for.
 
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Joseph Kerr

Fort Wayne, IN
Dainja is 6’9”. I don’t recall a lot of turnovers from sending smaller defenders at this 6’9” guy.
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You didn't watch much of the games then, because they would have Scott bring up the ball and then give it to magic when forced into half court speed by pressure defense.
 
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I have a similar take. The 2005 team would've made John Wooden proud - that was BEAUTIFUL basketball... Basketball played at an extremely high level. A significant highlight of that year was the 15-pass set vs NW where we repeatedly passed up good looks for better looks.

The Flyin' Illini were a whole new thing. No one had ever seen a bunch of interchangeable 6'5"+ guys who could run, jump and defend like that. This is why DickieV always talks about them.

I was in awe of the 2021 Baylor team. So athletic. So fast. So strong. So tough. The 2005 team may or may not have beaten said Baylor squad, but they did not look anything like them. The 88-89 team is much closer.

I think this year's Illini will have a lot of similarities to that Baylor team. With Kofi gone, I think BU's teams will generally look like this going forward.
The 2005 team DID make John Wooden proud. He said as much after we pummeled Gonzaga in the Wooden classic.
 
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Um, where has all the talk of 7 foot Goode gone? I mean, he could play center, even though I know everyone has him locked down at the 2 because of his elite athleticism. Also, where is the talk on Lieb as an all American? Show some love people, Lieb kool aid for everyone? Also, when our entire team goes to the NBA after week 6, don't sleep on the intramural team that we will use to win the big 10. There, that should end any silly talk until the next person says something because they day drink and you can't watch corn all day. :cool: Can you smell me, because I am the :poop:. At 5' 11" and 245 pounds, my growth plates are still open, although crudely becoming a perfect sphere was not the boy type I was shooting for.

It seems that way. I'm just wondering if all our guys go pro after week six, could they award us the National Title because we were so dominant over those six weeks? And maybe they'll expand the All-American teams, so all our 11 scholarship players can be on the first team.
 
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Dainja is 6’9”. I don’t recall a lot of turnovers from sending smaller defenders at this 6’9” guy.
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Are you comparing Dainja to Magic??!?!?!?!?!

Magic was a point guard. Dainja is a 5 who might be able to be a 4.

My point was that having handles for a 5 man is a whole lot different than being a "point-center."
 
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Are you comparing Dainja to Magic??!?!?!?!?!

Magic was a point guard. Dainja is a 5 who might be able to be a 4.

My point was that having handles for a 5 man is a whole lot different than being a "point-center."

Agreed and thank you for that note of reasonableness in a sea of hyperbole and ridiculous expectations.
 
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