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- Cary-Grove, the better Trojan team
Or.......it incentivizes some people to pony up.
It really all comes down to $ now, doesn't it? Another $5M in NIL and we have a legit shot at going 10-2 and in line for a playoff berth
Or.......it incentivizes some people to pony up.
It really all comes down to $ now, doesn't it? Another $5M in NIL and we have a legit shot at going 10-2 and in line for a playoff berth
agreePerhaps Illini football really hasn't changed all that much. In 1991 when Mackovic left for Texas we had a legit top 20 program and some insane talent on the roster. Had enough there to go hire a proven head coach from at least a MAC or similar level of school if not a head coach from a lower rung power conference school. Instead we went cheap & hired one of the worst coaches in the history of NCAA football in Lou Tepper & the program has never been the same since. Credit to Bret that he has brought us to where we are today but if he isn't given the resources it's gonna go right back into the doldrums.
To me that is why this loss to Duke hurt so much. The team has to have sustained success to have a hope getting fans/donors excited and moving up the pecking order. An 8 win season would put us on that path and letting that one slip away means the team has to run the table in the toss up games or steal one from OSU, Oregon or Iowa. 5 or 6 six wins would be reverting to the mean.agree
JW had better be working the phones constantly & pressing the flesh at the home games
I took each teams current budget for this year and calculated each team's wins over the past 2 years to find out how much it costs per win. This isn't perfect because this is a one year budget and I'm calculating wins over a 2 year period. My goal wasn't to find out the exact cost per win, but just to compare who's paying the least and most for their wins.
| Rank | Team | Budget | 2024 W | 2025 W | Total | $/Win |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1 | Duke | $10.5M | 9 | 9 | 18 | $1.17M |
| 2 | Iowa State | $12.5M | 11 | 8 | 19 | $1.32M |
| 3 | Cincinnati | $11.5M | 5 | 7 | 12 | $1.92M |
| 4 | Arizona | $12.5M | 4 | 9 | 13 | $1.92M |
| 5 | Minnesota | $15.5M | 8 | 8 | 16 | $1.94M |
| 6 | Houston | $14.0M | 4 | 10 | 14 | $2.00M |
| 7 | Iowa | $17.0M | 8 | 9 | 17 | $2.00M |
| 8 | SMU | $21.0M | 11 | 9 | 20 | $2.10M |
| 9 | Kansas State | $16.5M | 9 | 6 | 15 | $2.20M |
| 10 | Pitt | $16.5M | 7 | 8 | 15 | $2.20M |
| 11 | Utah | $18.0M | 5 | 11 | 16 | $2.25M |
| 12 | Arizona State | $21.5M | 11 | 8 | 19 | $2.26M |
| 13 | BYU | $27.0M | 11 | 12 | 23 | $2.35M |
| 14 | Illinois | $22.5M | 10 | 9 | 19 | $2.37M |
| 15 | Wake Forest | $16.0M | 4 | 9 | 13 | $2.46M |
| 16 | Washington | $19.5M | 6 | 9 | 15 | $2.60M |
| 17 | Boston College | $10.5M | 7 | 1 | 8 | $2.62M |
| 18 | Louisville | $24.5M | 9 | 9 | 18 | $2.72M |
| 19 | Indiana | $37.5M | 11 | 16 | 27 | $2.78M |
| 20 | TCU | $25.0M | 9 | 9 | 18 | $2.78M |
| 21 | Virginia | $22.5M | 5 | 11 | 16 | $2.81M |
| 22 | Colorado | $17.5M | 9 | 3 | 12 | $2.92M |
| 23 | Syracuse | $19.0M | 10 | 3 | 13 | $2.92M |
| 24 | Georgia | $34.0M | 11 | 12 | 23 | $2.96M |
| 25 | UCF | $13.5M | 4 | 5 | 9 | $3.00M |
| 26 | Baylor | $20.0M | 8 | 5 | 13 | $3.08M |
| 27 | Kansas | $15.5M | 5 | 5 | 10 | $3.10M |
| 28 | Penn State | $31.0M | 13 | 7 | 20 | $3.10M |
| 29 | Cal | $21.0M | 6 | 7 | 13 | $3.23M |
| 30 | Vanderbilt | $27.5M | 7 | 10 | 17 | $3.24M |
| 31 | Missouri | $29.5M | 10 | 8 | 18 | $3.28M |
| 32 | Georgia Tech | $26.5M | 7 | 9 | 16 | $3.31M |
| 33 | Rutgers | $21.5M | 7 | 5 | 12 | $3.58M |
| 34 | Notre Dame | $43.5M | 14 | 10 | 24 | $3.62M |
| 35 | Clemson | $31.0M | 10 | 7 | 17 | $3.65M |
| 36 | Ole Miss | $43.5M | 10 | 13 | 23 | $3.78M |
| 37 | NC State | $27.5M | 6 | 8 | 14 | $3.93M |
| 38 | Ohio State | $51.5M | 14 | 12 | 26 | $3.96M |
| 39 | Oregon | $51.5M | 13 | 13 | 26 | $3.96M |
| 40 | Alabama | $40.0M | 9 | 11 | 20 | $4.00M |
| 41 | West Virginia | $20.0M | 6 | 4 | 10 | $4.00M |
| 42 | Oklahoma | $32.5M | 6 | 10 | 16 | $4.06M |
| 43 | Miami | $47.5M | 10 | 13 | 23 | $4.13M |
| 44 | Texas Tech | $41.5M | 8 | 12 | 20 | $4.15M |
| 45 | Northwestern | $23.5M | 4 | 7 | 11 | $4.27M |
| 46 | Michigan | $37.5M | 8 | 9 | 17 | $4.41M |
| 47 | Texas | $51.5M | 13 | 10 | 23 | $4.48M |
| 48 | Tennessee | $42.0M | 10 | 8 | 18 | $4.67M |
| 49 | North Carolina | $23.5M | 6 | 4 | 10 | $4.70M |
| 50 | USC | $38.0M | 7 | 9 | 16 | $4.75M |
| 51 | Nebraska | $33.5M | 7 | 7 | 14 | $4.79M |
| 52 | Texas A&M | $47.5M | 8 | 11 | 19 | $5.00M |
| 53 | Michigan State | $23.0M | 5 | 4 | 9 | $5.11M |
| 54 | Stanford | $18.0M | 3 | 4 | 7 | $5.14M |
| 55 | South Carolina | $34.0M | 9 | 4 | 13 | $5.23M |
| 56 | Kentucky | $24.0M | 4 | 5 | 9 | $5.33M |
| 57 | Arkansas | $25.5M | 7 | 2 | 9 | $5.67M |
| 58 | Oklahoma State | $11.5M | 3 | 1 | 4 | $5.75M |
| 59 | LSU | $47.5M | 9 | 7 | 16 | $5.94M |
| 60 | Florida | $36.0M | 8 | 4 | 12 | $6.00M |
| 61 | Maryland | $25.0M | 4 | 4 | 8 | $6.25M |
| 62 | Virginia Tech | $30.0M | 6 | 3 | 9 | $6.67M |
| 63 | Auburn | $33.5M | 5 | 5 | 10 | $6.70M |
| 64 | UCLA | $27.5M | 5 | 3 | 8 | $6.88M |
| 65 | Wisconsin | $31.0M | 5 | 4 | 9 | $6.89M |
| 66 | Florida State | $26.0M | 2 | 5 | 7 | $7.43M |
| 67 | Mississippi State | $29.0M | 2 | 5 | 7 | $8.29M |
| 68 | Purdue | $16.5M | 1 | 2 | 3 | $11.00M |
Purdue is really bad at this.I took each teams current budget for this year and calculated each team's wins over the past 2 years to find out how much it costs per win. This isn't perfect because this is a one year budget and I'm calculating wins over a 2 year period. My goal wasn't to find out the exact cost per win, but just to compare who's paying the least and most for their wins.
Rank Team Budget 2024 W 2025 W Total $/Win 1 Duke $10.5M 9 9 18 $1.17M 2 Iowa State $12.5M 11 8 19 $1.32M 3 Cincinnati $11.5M 5 7 12 $1.92M 4 Arizona $12.5M 4 9 13 $1.92M 5 Minnesota $15.5M 8 8 16 $1.94M 6 Houston $14.0M 4 10 14 $2.00M 7 Iowa $17.0M 8 9 17 $2.00M 8 SMU $21.0M 11 9 20 $2.10M 9 Kansas State $16.5M 9 6 15 $2.20M 10 Pitt $16.5M 7 8 15 $2.20M 11 Utah $18.0M 5 11 16 $2.25M 12 Arizona State $21.5M 11 8 19 $2.26M 13 BYU $27.0M 11 12 23 $2.35M 14 Illinois $22.5M 10 9 19 $2.37M 15 Wake Forest $16.0M 4 9 13 $2.46M 16 Washington $19.5M 6 9 15 $2.60M 17 Boston College $10.5M 7 1 8 $2.62M 18 Louisville $24.5M 9 9 18 $2.72M 19 Indiana $37.5M 11 16 27 $2.78M 20 TCU $25.0M 9 9 18 $2.78M 21 Virginia $22.5M 5 11 16 $2.81M 22 Colorado $17.5M 9 3 12 $2.92M 23 Syracuse $19.0M 10 3 13 $2.92M 24 Georgia $34.0M 11 12 23 $2.96M 25 UCF $13.5M 4 5 9 $3.00M 26 Baylor $20.0M 8 5 13 $3.08M 27 Kansas $15.5M 5 5 10 $3.10M 28 Penn State $31.0M 13 7 20 $3.10M 29 Cal $21.0M 6 7 13 $3.23M 30 Vanderbilt $27.5M 7 10 17 $3.24M 31 Missouri $29.5M 10 8 18 $3.28M 32 Georgia Tech $26.5M 7 9 16 $3.31M 33 Rutgers $21.5M 7 5 12 $3.58M 34 Notre Dame $43.5M 14 10 24 $3.62M 35 Clemson $31.0M 10 7 17 $3.65M 36 Ole Miss $43.5M 10 13 23 $3.78M 37 NC State $27.5M 6 8 14 $3.93M 38 Ohio State $51.5M 14 12 26 $3.96M 39 Oregon $51.5M 13 13 26 $3.96M 40 Alabama $40.0M 9 11 20 $4.00M 41 West Virginia $20.0M 6 4 10 $4.00M 42 Oklahoma $32.5M 6 10 16 $4.06M 43 Miami $47.5M 10 13 23 $4.13M 44 Texas Tech $41.5M 8 12 20 $4.15M 45 Northwestern $23.5M 4 7 11 $4.27M 46 Michigan $37.5M 8 9 17 $4.41M 47 Texas $51.5M 13 10 23 $4.48M 48 Tennessee $42.0M 10 8 18 $4.67M 49 North Carolina $23.5M 6 4 10 $4.70M 50 USC $38.0M 7 9 16 $4.75M 51 Nebraska $33.5M 7 7 14 $4.79M 52 Texas A&M $47.5M 8 11 19 $5.00M 53 Michigan State $23.0M 5 4 9 $5.11M 54 Stanford $18.0M 3 4 7 $5.14M 55 South Carolina $34.0M 9 4 13 $5.23M 56 Kentucky $24.0M 4 5 9 $5.33M 57 Arkansas $25.5M 7 2 9 $5.67M 58 Oklahoma State $11.5M 3 1 4 $5.75M 59 LSU $47.5M 9 7 16 $5.94M 60 Florida $36.0M 8 4 12 $6.00M 61 Maryland $25.0M 4 4 8 $6.25M 62 Virginia Tech $30.0M 6 3 9 $6.67M 63 Auburn $33.5M 5 5 10 $6.70M 64 UCLA $27.5M 5 3 8 $6.88M 65 Wisconsin $31.0M 5 4 9 $6.89M 66 Florida State $26.0M 2 5 7 $7.43M 67 Mississippi State $29.0M 2 5 7 $8.29M 68 Purdue $16.5M 1 2 3 $11.00M
The fact that NORTHWESTERN has a higher budget than we do speaks volumes...
Had Claude put this on a chart. We're +5.3 wins. Purdue is -9.0 wins.I took each teams current budget for this year and calculated each team's wins over the past 2 years to find out how much it costs per win. This isn't perfect because this is a one year budget and I'm calculating wins over a 2 year period. My goal wasn't to find out the exact cost per win, but just to compare who's paying the least and most for their wins.
Rank Team Budget 2024 W 2025 W Total $/Win 1 Duke $10.5M 9 9 18 $1.17M 2 Iowa State $12.5M 11 8 19 $1.32M 3 Cincinnati $11.5M 5 7 12 $1.92M 4 Arizona $12.5M 4 9 13 $1.92M 5 Minnesota $15.5M 8 8 16 $1.94M 6 Houston $14.0M 4 10 14 $2.00M 7 Iowa $17.0M 8 9 17 $2.00M 8 SMU $21.0M 11 9 20 $2.10M 9 Kansas State $16.5M 9 6 15 $2.20M 10 Pitt $16.5M 7 8 15 $2.20M 11 Utah $18.0M 5 11 16 $2.25M 12 Arizona State $21.5M 11 8 19 $2.26M 13 BYU $27.0M 11 12 23 $2.35M 14 Illinois $22.5M 10 9 19 $2.37M 15 Wake Forest $16.0M 4 9 13 $2.46M 16 Washington $19.5M 6 9 15 $2.60M 17 Boston College $10.5M 7 1 8 $2.62M 18 Louisville $24.5M 9 9 18 $2.72M 19 Indiana $37.5M 11 16 27 $2.78M 20 TCU $25.0M 9 9 18 $2.78M 21 Virginia $22.5M 5 11 16 $2.81M 22 Colorado $17.5M 9 3 12 $2.92M 23 Syracuse $19.0M 10 3 13 $2.92M 24 Georgia $34.0M 11 12 23 $2.96M 25 UCF $13.5M 4 5 9 $3.00M 26 Baylor $20.0M 8 5 13 $3.08M 27 Kansas $15.5M 5 5 10 $3.10M 28 Penn State $31.0M 13 7 20 $3.10M 29 Cal $21.0M 6 7 13 $3.23M 30 Vanderbilt $27.5M 7 10 17 $3.24M 31 Missouri $29.5M 10 8 18 $3.28M 32 Georgia Tech $26.5M 7 9 16 $3.31M 33 Rutgers $21.5M 7 5 12 $3.58M 34 Notre Dame $43.5M 14 10 24 $3.62M 35 Clemson $31.0M 10 7 17 $3.65M 36 Ole Miss $43.5M 10 13 23 $3.78M 37 NC State $27.5M 6 8 14 $3.93M 38 Ohio State $51.5M 14 12 26 $3.96M 39 Oregon $51.5M 13 13 26 $3.96M 40 Alabama $40.0M 9 11 20 $4.00M 41 West Virginia $20.0M 6 4 10 $4.00M 42 Oklahoma $32.5M 6 10 16 $4.06M 43 Miami $47.5M 10 13 23 $4.13M 44 Texas Tech $41.5M 8 12 20 $4.15M 45 Northwestern $23.5M 4 7 11 $4.27M 46 Michigan $37.5M 8 9 17 $4.41M 47 Texas $51.5M 13 10 23 $4.48M 48 Tennessee $42.0M 10 8 18 $4.67M 49 North Carolina $23.5M 6 4 10 $4.70M 50 USC $38.0M 7 9 16 $4.75M 51 Nebraska $33.5M 7 7 14 $4.79M 52 Texas A&M $47.5M 8 11 19 $5.00M 53 Michigan State $23.0M 5 4 9 $5.11M 54 Stanford $18.0M 3 4 7 $5.14M 55 South Carolina $34.0M 9 4 13 $5.23M 56 Kentucky $24.0M 4 5 9 $5.33M 57 Arkansas $25.5M 7 2 9 $5.67M 58 Oklahoma State $11.5M 3 1 4 $5.75M 59 LSU $47.5M 9 7 16 $5.94M 60 Florida $36.0M 8 4 12 $6.00M 61 Maryland $25.0M 4 4 8 $6.25M 62 Virginia Tech $30.0M 6 3 9 $6.67M 63 Auburn $33.5M 5 5 10 $6.70M 64 UCLA $27.5M 5 3 8 $6.88M 65 Wisconsin $31.0M 5 4 9 $6.89M 66 Florida State $26.0M 2 5 7 $7.43M 67 Mississippi State $29.0M 2 5 7 $8.29M 68 Purdue $16.5M 1 2 3 $11.00M
Tackling is a perishable skill? In football? It's a required skill that's taught in middle school or earlier.Many sports involve perishable skills requiring practice to maintain full proficiency.
Pat Ryan says helloThe fact that NORTHWESTERN has a higher budget than we do speaks volumes...
Northwestern probably spends next to nothing on basketball while we spend near the top.The fact that NORTHWESTERN has a higher budget than we do speaks volumes...
Perishable in that you can’t do it at a consistently high level w/o ongoing practice. Good performance doesn’t require practice, but excellence under pressure when things happen very fast does. Why do baseball players bother with batting practice? Kickers practice kicking. Quarterbacks practice passing. Receivers practice catching.Tackling is a perishable skill? In football? It's a required skill that's taught in middle school or earlier.
All of these guys know how to tackle opponents with similar size, speed and athleticism. When the opponents measurables are better than their own....that's where the problem lies. The RB for Duke was the best athlete on the field and we couldn't tackle him.
Yes, obviously our running game is not going to be a strength once again this year.When will we start getting some of the younger RBs some caries? They list Javari Barnett at 235 - would be helpful to supplement the 2 speed backs in front of him
Oregon very nearly lost their first game too.Upsets happen. Oregon just lost to Oklahoma St.
But on average, the teams with the most money win the most games. If we would’ve had an extra $10 million in NIL and were able to adequately build our front 6 on defense, would we be better than we are now?
Also it matters where the tackling is being done. 4 to 5 yards up field is not doing you much good.Perishable in that you can’t do it at a consistently high level w/o ongoing practice. Good performance doesn’t require practice, but excellence under pressure when things happen very fast does. Why do baseball players bother with batting practice? Kickers practice kicking. Quarterbacks practice passing. Receivers practice catching.
Our tackling was awful against UAB too, and they didn’t outmatch us in measurable and athleticism. I’m sure we still knew how to tackle, but we looked rusty in both games. Knowing how isn’t enough.
Crucial mistake. Remember Mackovic was AD as well, so we had no leadership in making that hire.Perhaps Illini football really hasn't changed all that much. In 1991 when Mackovic left for Texas we had a legit top 20 program and some insane talent on the roster. Had enough there to go hire a proven head coach from at least a MAC or similar level of school if not a head coach from a lower rung power conference school. Instead we went cheap & hired one of the worst coaches in the history of NCAA football in Lou Tepper & the program has never been the same since. Credit to Bret that he has brought us to where we are today but if he isn't given the resources it's gonna go right back into the doldrums.
Love the chart, but one minor quibble - it should probably be adjusted to reflect spending vs your Conference peers. For example, MS State spending is high vs the total average, but lower than its SEC peers, so their expected wins should reflect that.
The fact that NORTHWESTERN has a higher budget than we do speaks volumes...
OTOH, ESPN says that colleges spent over $533 million in the last 10 years just on dead money contacts for ex-coaches, not counting recent LSU, TCU, TTU and UConn etc football firings. A guest professor on Stephen A. Smith yesterday was saying that colleges currently spend little or nothing on players and want the proposed “Save College Sports Act” so they can get all those NIL dollars for themselves. That’s in part to repay all those hasty personnel decisions, which have added over a billion $ in expenses since 2005.