There isn't much contacting yet, but the staff has a list of guys that their are either rumors about/they would want to reach out to if they are willing to hear other colleges out
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How can you tell? He's only seen double digit minutes in 4 games.
Now you could say, well that's because he wasn't good enough to earn minutes, and you'd be right. But he's at Duke. He's competing with a slew of top 50 players. In his class, Duke got the #1 SG, #3 SF, #3 CG, as well as a 38 year old transfer in Grandison.
Some insiders had mentioned that the staff felt he done them a bit wrong during his recruitment. But, if you believe the kid can be a 40+% 3pt shooter, I'd get over it. Schutt isn't like a recruit that went somewhere, failed, and is now looking for a 2nd chance. He's a kid who was unrealistic with his school selection. If you wanted him badly out of high school, I don't know why anything at Duke would change that.
Well, as far as cheating goes, he was very good at it, Now that most of it is allowed, he would an even larger share of the highly rated players.
As far as coaching, Sean’s 11 trips to the big dance with 7 times to the Sweet 16 or better is much better than what Brad has accomplished. Thinking back to the portal debacle last spring, Sean Miller would have had a commitment from Ray J. and things would look much different right now. jmo
Looks like redshirt for Schutt.
Bash plenty of reasons to back off the kid based on last year. Really, none of the staff HS evaluations stick beyond your first season in college.
I have no idea if we'd want him or he us. He doesn't seem likely to change the course of next season much if he shows up.
Staff isn't taking a transfer that hasn't proven themselves at this level. End of story.
Like Dain, Feliz, Harmon, Domask?
I am still not sure. Need to see how he develops. I mean, sure, he can score, pass, and can play above the rim. But, does he know the best brand of cottage cheese?
Or more importantly - what to put in it before you eat it.
Dain, I'll give you, the rest were proven college players. The last portal class were all proven college players.
that would certainly be my position.
"This level" meaning in college, not high school.
The luck is that two or three recruits not working out doesn't tank multiple seasons.
Carwell & Smith in 07, Richmond/Leonard in 11, Nunn, Williams & JCL in 15/16, & Black/Smith in 18. Our team's history is littered with losing seasons that can be tracked back to a few issues.
Last year's team was frustrating on the court & eventful behind the scenes. We are lucky to have the ability to "rebuild" over night and are more likely to win in the B10 & tourney because of it.
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Seems like he kinda is, doesn't it? If you can't get on the floor, then you pretty much are failing.
I guarantee you people are already talking to people.
Yanking the local schools' chains only to ride the bench at a blue blood definitely seems to fit.
I wouldn't be surprised if he ended up at NW/Iowa/Wiscy and gave us headaches for years...
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I think there's different goalposts on the "level" that you and 0440 are applying. Feliz was a JUCO recruit, Harmon & Domask mid-majors. So you compare that group to guys like Mayer, TSJ, QG, that moved over after performing well at HM programs.
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Here is the recruits and their 247 ranking for Duke vs Illinois over the past 3 classes:
Duke
2022 - 2, 3, 4, 13, 23, 78 (Schutt), 167
2023 - 14, 17, 22, 23
2024 - 1, 11, 16, 20, 56
Illinois
2022 - 34 (transferred), 51 (transferred), 55, 96 (also RSing)
2023 - 61, 143, NR, NR (left almost before he got here)
2024 - 35, 110, 162,
If you think we are recruiting even close to the level of Duke, that's just factually incorrect. Our best players have been transfers. So Underwood and Scheyer are taking different routes, but in terms of talent on the roster, if I'm Schutt I'd rather fight for time with Justin Harmon than an endless stream of McDs AAs. Duke has 13 players over those 3 classes ranked higher than our top guy, 14 ranked higher than Schutt.
No one is saying he's too good for Illinois, quite the opposite. Some are saying go get this kid. So far, our 3pt shooting is still terrible. Shannon is playing like an All American, Goode is doing what we hoped he'd do, only 1 other guy on the team is shooting better than 25%. Yes 25%! And we're still taking more than 8 3pters a game. We need shooters and Schutt was viewed as one of the best not long ago.
What you were implying is that there is more competition for minutes at Duke than there is at Illinois, and you're blindly basing that off of recruiting rankings. Base the assessment off of how good the players on the roster are, not what they were ranked coming out of HS. If he's not playing at Duke, he's probably going to struggle to fine minutes here as well.
You can't just say, well look, he's only fighting Justin Harmon for minutes. That is flawed thinking. We have many, many other players on our roster that would be ahead of him. If he's on this year's team, its even doubtful he gets minutes over 5th year SR Harmon anyway. Harmon in his 5th year is a better player than Schutt is now, just to go ahead and use the one example you gave.
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It would absolutely be an uphill climb for any true freshman to get minutes this season at Illinois. Next season we lose, at a minimum, TSJ, Domask, QG, Harmon. The team a transfer will be trying to make will look vastly different than the current one.
DGL is struggling to get minutes. Does that mean he isn't worth his roster spot? Schutt is a true freshman as well. Especially if he redshirts, you'd have to view him through the lens of 4 years of eligibility, rather than plug and play. In which case, he becomes a LOT more attractive. If his expectation is to play immediately, he probably has nearly as good a shot just staying put in Durham and growing into a role there.
Who is to say the kid isn't already perfectly happy with how he is being handled? Being the 100andsomethingth ranked player in the nation coming out, I can't imagine he thought he was going to be an immediate impact player at Duke.
Agreed 100% on all points. We also could bring in 2 really, really good transfers at his position (which is likely, given our portal success), which renders this whole Schutt conversation meaningless anyway.
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I never really got the hype on him. A top 50 or 100 type recruit should be averaging like 40 playing 1A Illinois basketball. That level is really really bad.
Schutt would have three years left.
I'm not implying, I'm flat out saying it. Furthermore, everyone not on this board is likely to agree.
Duke has more talent on their roster, year in and year out than Illinois is not a controversial statement. Just look at the NBA. Before Ayo, our last drafted player was Meyers Leonard in 2012. Since Ayo, Duke has had 8 players drafted, 7 in the first round, 34 drafted since Meyers Leonard. So anyone saying there is more competition or even equal competition at Illinois as Duke is just wrong by every available metric.
And I don't even know where any of this is really coming from. The original point is, just because Schutt couldn't get minutes, as a true Fr, ahead of Jeremy Roach (24), Dariq Whitehead (3), Tyrese Proctor (23), Mark Mitchell (13), and Super Super Sr Jacob Grandison doesn't tell me much about his quality. He has not shown on the court that he was overrated. He's just shown that he is not as good as a bunch of guys that will likely be in the NBA.
Furthermore, Schutt's specialty is something we sorely need. We are not a good 3pt shooting team. So again, not playing at Duke means very little to me. If we thought he was worth taking 2 years ago, unless we have a bunch of future NBA guys coming in next year, I don't see why we wouldn't still want him. Many on this board wanted Cole Certa. You think Certa is better than Schutt, especially after 2 years in a blue blood program?
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