Illinois Hoops Recruiting Thread

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PepeSilvia
HoopsterMan said:
Could be a directly inverse relationship to how well BC does.

I've seen Hurley talk XO's with Reddick, guy sounded like he was speaking another language. He's not short on hoops acumen.

This is when dynasty type teams start falling apart, when coaches start losing their staff.

My question would be, if Murray crushes it at BC, does UConn find a way to expedite handing the baton to him so they don't lose him to some other program? If he does wonders there in 3-4 years, he'll have any job he wants after that and there are some big programs who could be on the market (UK, UM, KU).
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I guess if Hurley wants to go to the NBA than it could make sense if Murray is succeeding.

You're not going to move off of Hurley for him though.

Schertz is still out there too so it's not like there is a shortage of good coaches potentially available for big spots.
 
#127      
PepeSilvia
March2TheArch said:
Grew up in Champaign. Don’t even try to have this convo with Cards fans. I never full understood it. But it feels like it’s passed down thru generations.
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If you're from Southern Illinois than you're far far closer to the Cardinals than you are either Chicago team.

Makes sense you that would grow up a fan of the team that's locally on tv and is easier to go to games. Same thing with the Rams when they existed in St Louis.

Feel like Champaign is the dividing line of the state. South of there tends to be more in line with St Louis and North is Chicago.

Same thing with Northwest Indiana. Full of Chicago sports fans since Chicago is far closer than Indianapolis.
 
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the juiceman cometh
gary? said:
i've tried to make this argument with our downstate brothers, but with no luck.
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Why on earth would state matter more than proximity? There are parts of Illinois that are a 30 minute drive from St. Louis and a 5 hour drive from Chicago? It's unreasonable that people should root for the team whose games they can actially attend, just because another team much further away happens to be within the same arbitrary lines drawn up on a map 200 years ago?
 
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Brosky
I'd like to get Pettigrew and I hope we do, but is it really crucial? Right now we've got 7 newbies who are guards/wings. It sometimes feels like we assume Coleman will start and go immediately to the NBA. Anything is possible, but these other guys aren't chopped liver. No matter what Pettigrew decides, we will still be stacked with talent at the guard position.
 
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wncillini
the juiceman cometh said:
Why on earth would state matter more than proximity? There are parts of Illinois that are a 30 minute drive from St. Louis and a 5 hour drive from Chicago? It's unreasonable that people should root for the team whose games they can actially attend, just because another team much further away happens to be within the same arbitrary lines drawn up on a map 200 years ago?
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Yeah this sounds just like something Benedict Arnold would say :)
 
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Second place is 1st loser
the juiceman cometh said:
Why on earth would state matter more than proximity? There are parts of Illinois that are a 30 minute drive from St. Louis and a 5 hour drive from Chicago? It's unreasonable that people should root for the team whose games they can actially attend, just because another team much further away happens to be within the same arbitrary lines drawn up on a map 200 years ago?
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Well, if lived in Detroit or Buffalo, would you chear for team Canada in the Olympics? Would you chear for the Buffalo Bills or the Toronto Argonauts?

In you live in El Paso, is Team Mexico or Team USA in soccer?

I don't know man....unless you were born in those countries, the Benedict Arnold conversation is real. :) :) :)

You know, Hammond, Indiana fans will have the same choice. Are you a Bears fan or a Colts fan? That's obviously the better comp.
 
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the juiceman cometh
the juiceman cometh said:
Why on earth would state matter more than proximity?
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wncillini said:
Yeah this sounds just like something Benedict Arnold would say :)
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HoopsterMan
PepeSilvia said:
I guess if Hurley wants to go to the NBA than it could make sense if Murray is succeeding.

You're not going to move off of Hurley for him though.

Schertz is still out there too so it's not like there is a shortage of good coaches potentially available for big spots.
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Yeah, that would be it. If he wins another title, I can see him considering it and an NBA team going out of their way to bring him on. Murray is a CT guy, grew up there and went to college there.
 
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gary?
i've tried to make this argument with our downstate brothers, but with no luck.
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Why on earth would state matter more than proximity? There are parts of Illinois that are a 30 minute drive from St. Louis and a 5 hour drive from Chicago? It's unreasonable that people should root for the team whose games they can actially attend, just because another team much further away happens to be within the same arbitrary lines drawn up on a map 200 years ago?
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see?
 
#139      
the juiceman cometh
Second place is 1st loser said:
Well, if lived in Detroit or Buffalo, would you chear for team Canada in the Olympics? Would you chear for the Buffalo Bills or the Toronto Argonauts?

In you live in El Paso, is Team Mexico or Team USA in soccer?

I don't know man....unless you were born in those countries, the Benedict Arnold conversation is real. :) :) :)
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Are national pride and state pride really the same thing? And if you live in one of the 33 states that does not have an MLB team, does that mean you don't get to cheer for one? You have just go all-in for the best minor league or independent league team in your state?

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You know, Hammond, Indiana fans will have the same choice. Are you a Bears fan or a Colts fan? That's obviously the better comp.
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A huge chunk of them are already Bears fans. Northwest Indiana is largely Bears, not Colts, territory (though I also know a lot of them did the whole fair-weather-fan thing in the Peyton Manning era - as did a lot of my Cubs fan classmates with the White Sox in 2005 when I was a student in Champaign).

On that note, how far down does this whole lines-on-a-map-level loyalty requirement go go? If I live in the same Ward as the Cubs, and I cheer for the White Sox, does that make me a Benedict Arnold? And is it where you live or where you were born? If I was born in Green Bay and my parents moved me to Chicago when I was a baby, must I cheer for the Packers or the Bears? What if I was born and raised in Green Bay until the age of 10, then moved to Cairo, Illinois, probably as far from the Bears as one can be in Illinois. What then?
 
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3nDGuy
Second place is 1st loser said:
Well, if lived in Detroit or Buffalo, would you chear for team Canada in the Olympics? Would you chear for the Buffalo Bills or the Toronto Argonauts?

In you live in El Paso, is Team Mexico or Team USA in soccer?

I don't know man....unless you were born in those countries, the Benedict Arnold conversation is real. :) :) :)

You know, Hammond, Indiana fans will have the same choice. Are you a Bears fan or a Colts fan? That's obviously the better comp.
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This might be the dumbest argument I've ever heard.
 
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Well, if lived in Detroit or Buffalo, would you chear for team Canada in the Olympics? Would you chear for the Buffalo Bills or the Toronto Argonauts?

In you live in El Paso, is Team Mexico or Team USA in soccer?

I don't know man....unless you were born in those countries, the Benedict Arnold conversation is real. :) :) :)

You know, Hammond, Indiana fans will have the same choice. Are you a Bears fan or a Colts fan? That's obviously the better comp.
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Cheer.
And also pure lunacy (inside joke). But then this poster has probably blocked me, so he/she won’t see this.
 
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Det_Illini_fan
Didn’t expect the MLB Illinois fan camp discussion to go this far. For what it’s worth, growing up in Central Illinois, I noticed a pretty even 50/50 split between Cardinals and Cubs fans. Only knew one White Sox fan until I went to UofI and made friends with those from the suburbs.

I think the rivalry of Cards vs Cubs drove the fanbases to those two in the Central area, plus the local farm league affiliate would flip flop between being either a Cardinal or Cub-based team. So pros like Pujols and Baez made their starts helped. Also, Central and Southern areas I’ve noticed have a bit of disdain for Chicagoland that’s more political, so allegiance may help gravitate some to STL, maybe? Either way, Cardinals have a clear fan base in the state that though Chicago and Suburbs outnumber the population for the rest of the state, you take a trip down around Campus, Bloomington, Peoria, and south from there I would say you’d never think Cubs fans outnumber Cardinals fans.

I might add success helps a bit to build a fan base. Central Illinois had noticeable amounts of GB Packers fans (Bears rivalry maybe helped), Iowa fans (lot of rural and farm kids gravitated that way), and Colts fans.

Essentially, there’s a hodgepodge that isn’t necessarily statehood driven. Region drives it some too, among many factors. But again, Cardinals have a large presence in the Central Region, and it’s not necessarily a mystery.
 
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Second place is 1st loser
the juiceman cometh said:
Are national pride and state pride really the same thing? And if you live in one of the 33 states that does not have an MLB team, does that mean you don't get to cheer for one? You have just go all-in for the best minor league or independent league team in your state?



A huge chunk of them are already Bears fans. Northwest Indiana is largely Bears, not Colts, territory (though I also know a lot of them did the whole fair-weather-fan thing in the Peyton Manning era - as did a lot of my Cubs fan classmates with the White Sox in 2005 when I was a student in Champaign).

On that note, how far down does this whole lines-on-a-map-level loyalty requirement go go? If I live in the same Ward as the Cubs, and I cheer for the White Sox, does that make me a Benedict Arnold? And is it where you live or where you were born? If I was born in Green Bay and my parents moved me to Chicago when I was a baby, must I cheer for the Packers or the Bears? What if I was born and raised in Green Bay until the age of 10, then moved to Cairo, Illinois, probably as far from the Bears as one can be in Illinois. What then?
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I'm getting off this thread because the amount of people that are taking this whole Benedict Arnold thing as more than satire is crazy!

People are free to choose to be fans of whoever they want. In the era of satellites that reach Antarctica...... people in Miami are fans of teams in Seattle. It's really ok.
 
#146      
RabidDawgClassic
Det_Illini_fan said:
Didn’t expect the MLB Illinois fan camp discussion to go this far. For what it’s worth, growing up in Central Illinois, I noticed a pretty even 50/50 split between Cardinals and Cubs fans. Only knew one White Sox fan until I went to UofI and made friends with those from the suburbs.

I think the rivalry of Cards vs Cubs drove the fanbases to those two in the Central area, plus the local farm league affiliate would flip flop between being either a Cardinal or Cub-based team. So pros like Pujols and Baez made their starts helped. Also, Central and Southern areas I’ve noticed have a bit of disdain for Chicagoland that’s more political, so allegiance may help gravitate some to STL, maybe? Either way, Cardinals have a clear fan base in the state that though Chicago and Suburbs outnumber the population for the rest of the state, you take a trip down around Campus, Bloomington, Peoria, and south from there I would say you’d never think Cubs fans outnumber Cardinals fans.

I might add success helps a bit to build a fan base. Central Illinois had noticeable amounts of GB Packers fans (Bears rivalry maybe helped), Iowa fans (lot of rural and farm kids gravitated that way), and Colts fans.

Essentially, there’s a hodgepodge that isn’t necessarily statehood driven. Region drives it some too, among many factors. But again, Cardinals have a large presence in the Central Region, and it’s not necessarily a mystery.
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Back in the 80s, the News-Gazette did a survey of baseball fans in Central Illinois. The results were:

48% Cubs
47% Cardinals
2% Dodgers
1% White Sox
2% Other

I was shocked to learn from a Chicago friend that, in the city of Chicago, the Cubs/White Sox rivalry stokes more passion than the Cubs/Cards rivalry. Growing up, I literally knew zero White Sox fans.
 
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Det_Illini_fan
Second place is 1st loser said:
I'm getting off this thread because the amount of people that are taking this whole Benedict Arnold thing as more than satire is crazy!

People are free to choose to be fans of whoever they want. In the era of satellites that reach Antarctica...... people in Miami are fans of teams in Seattle. It's really ok.
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I mean, except Ohio State. If someone is a fan of Ohio State, there’s something wrong with them for sure.
 
#149      
AnnoyedWithGarza
Kendall Gill’s Uncle said:
Counterpoint: He didn’t get kicked out of that game. In fact he’s been ejected from 1 total game he’s coached. Zero suspensions.

Like I said, I don’t like or condone his sideline actions, but personally I think he’s controlled crazy. He knows where the line is.
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There is absolutely no way he should have been allowed to stay in this game. Part of this has to be a reputational thing. He should have been given a T and an ejection for making contact and staring down a ref. He lost control and didn't know who he was looking at here, if you take his word for it.
 
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bigillinfan11
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