Jalen Coleman-Lands to transfer

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I more meant the coaches. Part of the reasons JCL's numbers sagged a bit his sophomore campaign is because he was thoroughly scouted by that point. Look back at old game footage and you will notice what happens to defenders when they see a pass kicked out to JCL waiting beyond the arc. They frequently drop everything they're doing to prevent the open shot, because that's what they were told to do. This revisionist narrative of JCL is complete nonsense; he was, and is, a fantastic shooter.

You'll also note they defend in such a way that makes it clear they're not concerned about being dribbled past. He was scouted in that way, too. >_>
 
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zpfled

Logan Square, Chicago
However my mind says he is a quitter. He quit on his team mates and this great university to find a better fit for himself. It was all about him and not about the institution he committed to play at when he signed his LOI.

Knowing when to quit and get something better is a skill, not a flaw. JCL is a sharp kid, entrepreneur, and a talented, hard-working ball player. The team will miss him on the court.

Illinois fired his coach and hired a new guy who immediately recruited 2 potential starters at JCL's position. Sticking it out for the sake of principle would have been dumb, IMO. Universities, like companies, don't really look out for the best interests of their students/employees. You have to look out for yourself, because if you trust someone else to do it you will get burned.

Hope he finds the right fit for himself but never will I mention his name as being a player at the U of I again.

Boy I bet that's going to keep JCL up at night.
 
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zpfled

Logan Square, Chicago
JCL didnt want to put in the work "here" to become a better defender, a better ball handler, & a better finisher at the rim for the fighting illini. That is truth. What he does from now on is not my concern. I will not waste one minute of thought about his basketball game wherever he goes.

Yet you wasted your time on this post.
 
#154      
There is no way to spin this as positive news. JCL is an elite shooter. We need elite shooters. Underwood 'so offense needs elite shooters and losing one is not positive news. Don't know what's going on?

Reread study posted yesterday. This has nothing to do with Underwood at all. Several well respected people who cover the Illini have reported as much
 
#155      

skyIdub

Winged Warrior
Sorry but how did he not quit? Will he be wearing and Illini uniform next year? NO! So IMO that means he quit the team! Transfer or Quit same difference.

Hey Big Jack from Decatur! If "transfer" and "quit" are the same, how come they are two different words?

Hey Big Jack from Decatur! Look up the difference between "except" and "accept". Did you "quit" on the English language?
:illinois:
 
#156      
Anyone notice that when DJ Williams transferred Underwood put out a statement wishing him luck and thanking him for his efforts at U of I?

Anyone else notice that no such statement has been made for JCL yet...
 
#157      
JCL didnt want to put in the work "here" to become a better defender, a better ball handler, & a better finisher at the rim for the fighting illini. That is truth. What he does from now on is not my concern. I will not waste one minute of thought about his basketball game wherever he goes.

How do you know that? I've seen a lot of players who worked on various parts of their games & improvement was minimal at best.
 
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JCL always had one foot out the door, so you are correct, he wasn't creaned


No JCL had a serious female interest down here, he was very active in his churchs' on campus ministry, along with many other campus & student activities, and he was very close with Leron, Finke, AJ, & Kipp! Not to mention DJ who left...

Shoot, Jalen was just an hour and a half away from his home in the Nap where he could drive and go see his Dad, who he loves & thinks the world of, anytime he wanted! Jalen also has a very large, close, and supportive family, who would come here and see him all the time! That was very convenient for him and played into his comfortibilty factor for being here...

Like, can we just appreciate the player and person that this young man was and make this thread about him the right way, instead of having to have all these evil orange shaded glasses glooming in on this thread making it about how we're better off without him! I mean come on, the guy was like a 4.0 student & All-Academic Big Ten!! This young man was a Flagship leader & ambassador for our program for 3 years, if you count the moment he committed to the beloved!! JCole will always be an Illini and some of you guys need to show him some respect! :shield::shield::shield::shield::shield:
 
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#159      
JCL's transfer keeps our 47 year old streak alive of no Indiana HS player to graduate from UI.:)
 
#161      
I think that befits a player of JCL's stature. Omitting the bluebloods, he should be able to easily be welcomed into any D1 program with a slot open for a shooter.

No disrespect to DePaul, but that's beneath JCL.
 
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Like, can we just appreciate the player and person that this young man was and make this thread about him the right way, instead of having to have all these evil orange shaded glasses glooming in on this thread making it about how we're better off without him! I mean come on, the guy was like a 4.0 student & All-Academic Big Ten!! This young man was a Flagship leader & ambassador for our program for 3 years, if you count the moment he committed to the beloved!! JCole will always be an Illini and some of you guys need to show him some respect! :shield::shield::shield::shield::shield:

I mean I don't have any ill will for the kid for doing what he thinks is best for himself. I also recognize the Illini would be better with him next year than without, no reason to delude ourselves. But celebrate that he will "always be an Illini" when he's choosing to bail on the team with 9 other players on scholarship and a great opportunity to earn playing time and win with a new coach? Sorry thats a bridge too far for me.
 
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#164      
There is some information out there that might make you lean more towards Big Jack's point of view. Fwiw
 
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socalini

So Cali
No JCL had a serious female interest down here, he was very active in his churchs' on campus ministry, along with many other campus & student activities, and he was very close with Leron, Finke, AJ, & Kipp! Not to mention DJ who left...

Shoot, Jalen was just an hour and a half away from his home in the Nap where he could drive and go see his Dad, who he loves & thinks the world of, anytime he wanted! Jalen also has a very large, close, and supportive family, who would come here and see him all the time! That was very convenient for him and played into his comfortibilty factor for being here...

Like, can we just appreciate the player and person that this young man was and make this thread about him the right way, instead of having to have all these evil orange shaded glasses glooming in on this thread making it about how we're better off without him! I mean come on, the guy was like a 4.0 student & All-Academic Big Ten!! This young man was a Flagship leader & ambassador for our program for 3 years, if you count the moment he committed to the beloved!! JCole will always be an Illini and some of you guys need to show him some respect! :shield::shield::shield::shield::shield:

I'm with you. Good kid. It doesn't make or break us. It may be to his benefit. Why all the break-up bitterness? Good luck, JCL, my Illini brother. :illinois:
 
#166      
DePaul . As soon as Hierman went there, just saying.

I can't believe a HS coach would have that much sway over a kid... Maybe if he was an assistant at a school that has been historically terrible the past decade; that's definitely not the case however.

I can see it being a factor, but the lone reason a kid whos averaged 20+ mins his first two years at a P5 school wants to leave? Not buying it.
 
#167      
I am neither saddened nor delighted to see JCL go. It is what it is. Maybe he is making a mistake? Maybe he is doing what is best for him? We'll never know, and he probably won't either. I definitely feel like things could have gone differently for him were he to have had a different coach for his first couple years, but he did not. Like so many of you, i do wish him the best.

I have some stats i would like to share. I do not wish to deny that JCL an elite shooter, but i do want to get at what exactly it means when we say that. I am going to use stats to try and maintain some neutrality, so if you are one of the 'eye testers' who feel that stats are misleading, feel free to move on to the next post.

Fun (potentially mind-blowing) Fact! JCL's conference true shooting percentage of .527 was an exact match with the conference true shooting percentage of another Illinois marksman in the 2014-2015 season... Jaylon Tate, who rode 36 of 39 (.923) free throw shooting to counterbalance the sub par field goal results. Obviously free throw shooting alone does not make for an elite shooter, because no one here has ever applied those words to Tate.

So perhaps we need to leave out the undefended free throw if we want to get a better idea of how a shooter is elite, and look at field goal percentage only. I'm sure it will surprise exactly no one that JCL's field goal percentage in conference games this year was 10th (tenth, not a typo) best on the team.

Ok, well I guess maybe the stat we need needs to factor in that third point that he got by taking 72.9% of his shots from behind the line. When we look at conference effective field goal percentage, we see that Jalen is now up to fourth best on the team, behind Finke, Nichols, and Morgan.

But focusing strictly on three point percentage leaves much the same order. Our best three point shooter during conference play, which was most of his play, was Nichols at 50% with an admittedly much smaller sample size of 20 attempts. Next up comes Finke at 44.9% with 49 attempts. Both of these returning players hit at a higher clip than JCL's 39.4% on 94 attempts, but preseason commentary on those two is, for other reasons, focused much more on who they can guard than if they can keep up their fantastic shooting.

Perhaps it is consistency that makes an elite shooter. Through the first dozen games or so, Abrams was one of the elite three point shooters in the country. He did not end the year that way. JCL gave us two solid year's of bombing from distance. Maybe if Kipper and Michael do maintain their results into next year, the conversation will change.

Maybe it's volume, JCL definitely shot the most threes. I hope it isn't just word association. Happy to be steered in the right direction. I will shut up now.
 
#169      
There is some information out there that might make you lean more towards Big Jack's point of view. Fwiw

Gee wonder if that might relate to how, what and when BU says when he does release a message to the press.

I am listening to Tay and J, they had some interesting things to say about JCL and showing up to practice this spring.

Yet still, none of that makes it ok to bash or insult a college kid.
 
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Sorry Five Star but I did not bash him. I called him a quitter and since he did quit the team then he has earned that distinction. I wish him all the best but will not consider him an Illini any longer or ever again. Gone and forgotten about.
Not picking a fight here, but where does MLT fall in your world? Just curious.