Jalen Coleman-Lands to transfer

#176      
This is what they were quoting on the Tay and J show.

If this has made it all the way into the Tribune, then this stuff isn't just sour grapes as several on here without any knowledge of the situation keep suggesting.

And to the "student friend" of JCL, he may be a good kid, but the word around town does not suggest the super close relationships with teammates and glowing flawless personality you were painting...
 
#184      

Rad

Nashville, TN
I am neither saddened nor delighted to see JCL go. It is what it is. Maybe he is making a mistake? Maybe he is doing what is best for him? We'll never know, and he probably won't either. I definitely feel like things could have gone differently for him were he to have had a different coach for his first couple years, but he did not. Like so many of you, i do wish him the best.

I have some stats i would like to share. I do not wish to deny that JCL an elite shooter, but i do want to get at what exactly it means when we say that. I am going to use stats to try and maintain some neutrality, so if you are one of the 'eye testers' who feel that stats are misleading, feel free to move on to the next post.

Fun (potentially mind-blowing) Fact! JCL's conference true shooting percentage of .527 was an exact match with the conference true shooting percentage of another Illinois marksman in the 2014-2015 season... Jaylon Tate, who rode 36 of 39 (.923) free throw shooting to counterbalance the sub par field goal results. Obviously free throw shooting alone does not make for an elite shooter, because no one here has ever applied those words to Tate.

So perhaps we need to leave out the undefended free throw if we want to get a better idea of how a shooter is elite, and look at field goal percentage only. I'm sure it will surprise exactly no one that JCL's field goal percentage in conference games this year was 10th (tenth, not a typo) best on the team.

Ok, well I guess maybe the stat we need needs to factor in that third point that he got by taking 72.9% of his shots from behind the line. When we look at conference effective field goal percentage, we see that Jalen is now up to fourth best on the team, behind Finke, Nichols, and Morgan.

But focusing strictly on three point percentage leaves much the same order. Our best three point shooter during conference play, which was most of his play, was Nichols at 50% with an admittedly much smaller sample size of 20 attempts. Next up comes Finke at 44.9% with 49 attempts. Both of these returning players hit at a higher clip than JCL's 39.4% on 94 attempts, but preseason commentary on those two is, for other reasons, focused much more on who they can guard than if they can keep up their fantastic shooting.

Perhaps it is consistency that makes an elite shooter. Through the first dozen games or so, Abrams was one of the elite three point shooters in the country. He did not end the year that way. JCL gave us two solid year's of bombing from distance. Maybe if Kipper and Michael do maintain their results into next year, the conversation will change.

Maybe it's volume, JCL definitely shot the most threes. I hope it isn't just word association. Happy to be steered in the right direction. I will shut up now.

Nice job.
 
#185      

icengineer

Southern Illinois
Not picking a fight here, but where does MLT fall in your world? Just curious.

MLT was a grad transfer, has a degree from UI. He helped recruit Alstork to UI.
It's not even close to the same thing, completely different universe.... In fact, you could put MLT's devotion to UI on the same level as Dee Brown's.
 
#186      

Deleted member 8213

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http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/columnists/ct-illinois-basketball-transfers-greenstein-spt-0527-20170526-column.html

I guess Greenstein must be bashing JCL also...

Some interesting tidbits in here about Timon also

The gone guys are gone. Bye Felicia. What caught my eye in that article was Frazier... "one man fast break"... hmmm seems to ring a bell.. many many beers ago. I sense something...


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#187      
Stats pretty much tell the tale of JCL's 2-years at Illinois in that the first year was better than the second year. I liked him as a player overall and wished he would stay. Yet hypothetically speaking, with last year's record of 20-15, if JCL had not been playing at all and someone else on the bench had his minutes that season, would the Illini have won more or fewer than 20 games?
 
#188      

zpfled

Logan Square, Chicago
Stats pretty much tell the tale of JCL's 2-years at Illinois in that the first year was better than the second year. I liked him as a player overall and wished he would stay. Yet hypothetically speaking, with last year's record of 20-15, if JCL had not been playing at all and someone else on the bench had his minutes that season, would the Illini have won more or fewer than 20 games?

Well, I love JCL but these selected stats don't paint an awesome picture of his effect on our record.

(stats from this past season)
 

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#189      
Well, I love JCL but these selected stats don't paint an awesome picture of his effect on our record.

(stats from this past season)

Good job, I knew we had some statisticians among this group. Too bad he took such a nose-dive from year 1 to year 2. I guess we'll never know if JCL had a different attitude about BU and his system whether he would have turned himself around or not in a year 3.
 
#190      

the national

the Front Range
He was skipping workouts? This bothered me. It sounds like he checked out. If he wasnt happy, he would have disrupted the chemistry. Its probably for the best that hes transferring.
 
#191      

Bubba Eder

Northeast Missouri
I don't really care to hear about Heirman being in JCL's ear unless you have proof. Every time something doesn't go our way lately with players this board devolves into whining about tampering with zero evidence to support the allegations. JCL would have fit in this system because elite shooters fit in EVERY system. This loss hurts badly, and there's no way around that. Let's not cut down the character of a kid who up until today was considered a model student athlete. I've never seen comments about him not working hard enough in practice or not buying into coaching until today. We were all thrilled that JCL was both playing for us and representing our university. Let's wish him well wherever he goes and focus on our team because right now it needs a ton of work.

It's been that way for years not just lately. :thumb::thumb:
 
#192      
Kinda neutral here on JCL leaving. He seems like a very good kid and rep of the university. I wish him well, and think it's likely ridiculous to consider him a quitter considering all that's gone on with the program. Unfortunately, in hindsight, I think he was quite overrated; don't see a 4 star top 40 talent there. He really does only one thing well. Opponents know he can't put it on the floor to make them pay for closing out hard and playing him tight. So it's a burden on the offense to get him shots. Ballhandling is a must at his position and size, and he doesn't have it. With BU's style and the quality guards coming in, I think his playing time would have shrunk significantly his last two years. No problem with his choice to find it somewhere else.
 
#193      
I think some of you need to realize that basketball (and more specifically Illini basketball) is not the be all end all of the world. Sometimes these players have other goals and priorities more important than being the best basketball player they can be. And that is ok. Maybe JCL decided he wanted to focus more on life after college instead of devoting all his time to basketball. Maybe he thought a change of scenery where a basketball player might have less pressure to perform would be good for him.

I don't know what is going through JCL's mind but I find it comical when posters talk in absolutes like they know what/who JCL is and what is goals are. I just don't understand why some people have to be so pessimistic, especially when you know nothing going on behind the scenes.

I for one, enjoyed watching him launch bombs from deep for 2 years here. He has one of the smoothest strokes I've ever seen and I truly believe he is an elite shooter despite the stats. Groce's offense definitely didn't help JCL at all. A coach is supposed to put his players in positions of strength and JCL really didn't get many open looks. But ultimately JCL needed to have either PG skills or elite defense to make it as a pro, and he has neither. Maybe he realized this and wanted to focus on other things.
 
#194      

skyIdub

Winged Warrior
SportsTalk debating JCL...

Tate said the transfer was mutual as U.W. had him ranked n bottom 3 of current roster based on overall play behind even A.J. & D.J.... said U.W. recommended he look elsewhere... Def raised my eyebrows till I heard JCL stats other than 3's... Only like 25 FT attempts for year, low on assists, etc.... Said he Def wasn't a starter and Tate said didn't fit into U.W. mold of "tough players".

Took this from my Illini group on Facebook.


Who is "U.W."? Are you meaning Under Wood? Did I miss some weird initials discussion somewhere? I thought it was B.U.
 
#196      
Tate said the transfer was mutual as U.W. had him ranked n bottom 3 of current roster based on overall play behind even A.J. & D.J

Unless he meant spring workouts, it is had to rank JCL behind AJ and DJ based on actual play this seasons and during their careers at UI.
 
#197      

illini80

Forgottonia
SportsTalk debating JCL...

Tate said the transfer was mutual as U.W. had him ranked n bottom 3 of current roster based on overall play behind even A.J. & D.J.... said U.W. recommended he look elsewhere... Def raised my eyebrows till I heard JCL stats other than 3's... Only like 25 FT attempts for year, low on assists, etc.... Said he Def wasn't a starter and Tate said didn't fit into U.W. mold of "tough players".

Took this from my Illini group on Facebook.

Yes it was Underwood. I heard the program today. Tate also mentioned JCL has a stress fracture that wasn't healed and the staff wanted him to have surgery. JCL refused.

I wish it were different, but all things considered it sounds like this is for the best.
 
#198      
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jrichisamazing
Posts: 4,161
I think some of you need to realize that basketball (and more specifically Illini basketball) is not the be all end all of the world. Sometimes these players have other goals and priorities more important than being the best basketball player they can be. And that is ok. Maybe JCL decided he wanted to focus more on life after college instead of devoting all his time to basketball. Maybe he thought a change of scenery where a basketball player might have less pressure to perform would be good for him.

I don't know what is going through JCL's mind


If Jalen Coleman-Lands is concerned about life after basketball, maybe he should have considered this: He was an all-Academic Big Ten selection who was getting a Business Degree from the University of Illinois which is a much, much more valuable diploma than a business degree from DePaul. Just saying.
 
#199      

icengineer

Southern Illinois
If Jalen Coleman-Lands is concerned about life after basketball, maybe he should have considered this: He was an all-Academic Big Ten selection who was getting a Business Degree from the University of Illinois which is a much, much more valuable diploma than a business degree from DePaul. Just saying.

I was thinking the exact same thing. But since we don't really know the details of the situation it's hard to know what the reasoning might be for JCL.
 
#200      

whovous

Washington, DC
Are there any real signs JCL is considering DePaul, or is that just message board paranoia?