You are likely right.
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There is no such thing as a misdemeanor rape-related charge. There is only felony rape or misdemeanor assault.
The University "tribunal" I believe would not be a public record. Not sure if it would be subject to a subpoena. But I'm not sure what he would say there that would cause him problems later. If you're suggesting that he has to get through questioning twice without screwing up, I could see that.
The craziest part of his post is saying college athletes should stay out of bars…..the history of college athletics that’s about all athletes do other than their sport lol
Loyalillini10
- Urbana, IL
And the assault would be related to a rape charge. I don't think the university would do it.
Well they think the defense is pretty air tight .
@illini0440 thank you for all that you relay. Time for loyalty after dark, bourbon edition?
skyIdub
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And hopefully bourbon too….
I don't know. When is zero tolerance not zero tolerance? You can't say zero tolerance and have some tolerance. I think the whole thing will have to go away, or the university's policy will look arbitrary. Of course, if it takes 3 months to get the felony charge dropped to a misdemeanor, it won't matter anyway.
Just a bad situation all around for everyone involved. My hope is that TSJ is back on the basketball court soon and proven completely innocent.
Loyalillini10
- Urbana, IL
Like the bourbon of proof...I effing see myself out. *sighs in disappointment in themselves*
Unless you're Ayo Dosunmo lol
Yes, and misdemeanor assault got Kendrick Nunn dismissed from the basketball team. Don't see how the panel clears TJ if he still has a battery charge hanging over his head, unless there is some release of significant information that clears TJ within the public's eye. There are two different trials to this: the judicial one, with -- by far -- the greatest stakes; and the public one. The only way TJ sees the court again while the former trial is ongoing is if he is "cleared" in the public one, and the only way I see that happening is if a slam-dunk, case-closed argument can be made that the legal charges have very little to stand on. That would usually be a tall task if the case is even questionable, so I think we'll learn a lot more relatively quickly as to how strong the charges against TJ really are.
I agree. I will say that a lot of these cases have hinged on subsequent digital messages. If she sent him something that strongly indicates that she didn't feel wronged then I could see the University letting him play.
Illini92and96
- Austin, TX
Or someone decants what they wined about.....
IlliniKat91
- Chicago, IL
I'm guessing the panel is closed door need-to-know-only. What's said won't be made public like it would be in court. There's no reason to think he'd end up tipping his hand
I believe that TSJ is innocent and the defense is air tight.
I also believe since Sept until recently JW believed TSJ is innocent and would not be charged. But now he has and that changes everything.
However, now that the rape warrant has been issued and bail was paid. Regardless of all of the information that may prove TSJ is innocent. Until charges are dropped. I just don't see how a university panel will allow him to play in games and take that risk or stance if at all until this plays out in court. Even if I wish he could play I don't see the University taking that stance. I just don't, regardless. It is unfortunate. I dont think any university would or has. I feel bad for TSJ because I think this is BS but what I or many here think it doesn't really matter.
Hopefully if the defense is that solid it gets tossed.
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How does “inappropriate touching” in a bar lead to a rape charge when the Kansas statutes specifically mention “sexual intercourse” in the wording? Is there an allegation that something happened after the bar too?
Well done. What a rye sense of humor!
blackdog
- Champaign
The only thing I'm a little iffy on is the optics of JW saying in the presser that they don't do they arent investigators but then using their own information for the panel. Not saying that they shouldn't do it but it might look a little questionable after he said that.
Fingering is considered sexual intercourse
No. That’s why people like me are so furious. The damage is done. All the news feeds say TSJ + rape.
Some without any deductive reasoning will argue “we don’t know that”
sexual intercourse is defined as vaginal penetration by any object, eg a finger
Read the Kansas rape laws….all sexual actions were consensual
I have, and that is what it is. If he did finger her and it was consensual it obviously isn't rape.
Nice choice, I've only recently begun to develop a taste for bourbon (in my mid 40's) and that's the brand that I first enjoyed sipping
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