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She will get even smarter over the next 17 years. I also speak from experience. Can't project beyond that.
For information helpful to the defense case, Kansas just requires that the disclosure be “timely.” :
The prosecutor must “make timely disclosure to the defense of all evidence or information known to the prosecutor that tends to negate the guilt of the accused or mitigates the offense, and, in connection with sentencing, disclose to the defense and to the tribunal all unprivileged mitigating information known to the prosecutor”
For all other discovery (i.e. witness statements, video footage, etc), it must be disclosed to defendant “upon request”. Federal law requires that it be produced in time for its effective use at trial.
All that to say - we don’t really know but it has to be turned over.
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I'm not worried about opposing teams' fans. If anything, I could see their reactions bringing the team together even more, galvanizing them around their veteran leader who they firmly believe has been unjustly labeled.
The life of being the star on a nationally ranked team...
These guys(on every team) hear more nasty trash on a night in and night out basis than should be tolerated. They tune it out. The good ones embrace it.
sacraig
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Opposing fans still make Ray Lewis comments. I'm not sure beating a team will silence that team's fans on issues like this that have nothing to do with on court performance.
It took 24 years?!?! I figured it out on day one!
Do you think Ray Lewis cares?
Do you really think that these high level athletes care? They've been hearing trash since they've been in high school. Have you ever been to a road game and listened to that schools student section? It's brutal. Ask Luther Head how our game at MSU went.
Point being....they tune it out and move on. Fans are going to do fan things.
Alabama (last year) already gave Illinois the blueprint of what to expect if TS hits the court again this year. If he is innocent, he should be playing period, no matter what some yell, or think.
Thanks. We can presume that Shannon's attorneys have requested it all. If they have it, then they can make their case to the three person board. I wouldn't be surprised to hear the DA is playing games with trying to delay giving it, but that might create both PR and judicial problems.
yeah they wouldn't reinstate without a dropped charge / case thrown away or some sort of plea deal that remove a direct sexual crime from the picture
04-05: Thank you for this important information! The Kansas definition of "timely" disclosure is so frustrating to all of us in ILLINI Nation because moving under the presumption that TSJ is innocent (as the law requires!) then "timely" disclosure of some actual facts might (wishful thinking?) result in the dismissal of these charges and a quicker reinstatement of TSJ to his incredible team and a return to the court where he really belongs. But in the bigger picture, what is far more important than TSJ's quick reinstatement to the orange and blue is that at this moment he is facing a felony charge of rape and, if convicted, he could face a minimum mandatory sentence of 12 years to a maximum sentence of 54 years in prison and/or a fine of up to $300,000 along with 3 years of post release supervision. Think of how terrifying that must be, especially if you know you are innocent of the charges brought against you by this District Attorney. Let's all slow down the discussion about his return to the basketball court until this far more serious situation is resolved. Basketball is a distant second in importance right now for this young ILLINI who has represented the University in such admirable fashion in the past and whose life will be severely impacted no matter what happens now.
Miller was never charged though. TJ was and that's why any reinstatement must be done in consideration of those charges and in my opinion likely needing the charges dropped. JW reiterated a zero tolerance policy... Which is the right move but that means no plea bargain or deals since that usually is seen as a form of guilt in the court of public opinion. May be totally allowed but optics do matter. And this is assuming he is completely innocent
This is not about “woke” or PC. It is about policy, procedure, and yes, PR. Leadership cannot come across as subverting a court proceeding for basketball success. The University must be smart, nimble and principled in all aspects here.
No, assuming he's completely innocent and the allowance is made...optics do not matter.
In today's day and age of college athletics with regards to recruiting, NIL and the portal... we're talking about optics?
C'mon.
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Again, we're assuming that he's completely innocent and that being the case....what are the optics of TSJ right now? I'm confused as to why you're not thinking about that young man? Your focus is on a CYA from the school and not doing what's right by the kid.
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Don't worry ... Brad has reached out to a special officer to make sure TJ doesn't deal with any fans who may take it too far ...
To everyone out there that is saying they need to reinstate TSJ only if the charges are dropped or if there is a plea deal that will eliminate the direct sexual crime, what makes you think that will not happen? What evidence that we have heard or seen gives you that impression?
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Will he be allowed to throw balls off jackwagons getting too close? Love me a good DMFW piss rocket off someone while falling out of bounds!
It's not that there's been evidence that points to that, its actually the exact opposite - there has not been any evidence (legal evidence) to indicate the case will not proceed. If the case proceeds as scheduled, the legal process will not play out in time.
The status quo scenario here is he is out for quite some time that extends beyond the season. If something changes that allows for a return, that is awesome but not the status quo scenario
As I said, if TJ is innocent, I don't care about the optics.
Miller (alabama) was never charged because there was no crime to charge him with. Alabama's star player brought the gun to the scene where it was used to commit homicide. That is not debatable, yet bama survived those optics and Miller was even defended by most broadcasters doing their games nationally.
Are there any examples in the past 5 years (since the me too movement) when a college athlete charged with rape played in college again? Sure someone will find one but literally cannot think of one example in college (only examples I can think are lesser charges like domestic assault or sexual assault that were dropped but none with rape).
So you think he committed the crime then?
IlliniKat91
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For me it's not about not having evidence, but I worry we wouldn't survive the optics of it. We do need to keep recruiting after TSJ leaves, after all, and you don't want coaches from opposing teams smearing us our or practices when we're in tight recruiting battles. We'd weather it because we have a staff that's great at identifying talent, but I don't think the DIA would want to do something that would make it any more difficult for them if possible to avoid it.
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