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redwingillini11

White and Sixth
North Aurora
If Chester is too green because he doesn't have head coaching experience, we could always call up Dee! :ROFLMAO:

I do think there is plenty of reason in the world for Brad to choose to stick with us over Texas. But it just seems like if he were to leave for any situation (excluding Duke, NC, Kansas which just aren't likely to happen at this point), this might be the one. I guess that's what makes it scary.

Now it being clarified I do not want a new head coach, I am still curious as heck to know who would be on Josh's short list, especially if they supposedly yell even more than BU. 😆
 
#428      
If Chester is too green because he doesn't have head coaching experience, we could always call up Dee! :ROFLMAO:

I do think there is plenty of reason in the world for Brad to choose to stick with us over Texas. But it just seems like if he were to leave for any situation (excluding Duke, NC, Kansas which just aren't likely to happen at this point), this might be the one. I guess that's what makes it scary.

Now it being clarified I do not want a new head coach, I am still curious as heck to know who would be on Josh's short list, especially if they supposedly yell even more than BU. 😆
What are the reasons BU would take the Texas job over us?
 
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Now it being clarified I do not want a new head coach, I am still curious as heck to know who would be on Josh's short list, especially if they supposedly yell even more than BU. 😆

Not saying this is the official list or that this list would be in order BUT if there was a list that Josh just might keep. My guess is these names would be on it:

1. Sean Miller
2. Eric Musselman
3. Greg McDermott
4. Dennis Gates
5. Chris Mack
 
#432      
You forgot guys having career games.

Actually, the opponent player career games and early start (6 PM / 11 AM) poor performances is an Illini thing that predates BU.
Okay,
You forgot guys having career games.

Actually, the opponent player career games and early start (6 PM / 11 AM) poor performances is an Illini thing that predates BU.
1.) Not ideal…but you want him fired over
it?
2.) The original poster, presented not winning early games….specifically as a Brad Underwood coaching flaw/shortcoming. He even attached a chart
to drive home the point home. Hence,
my comment. The fact that it is a
 
#433      
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#436      
Brad isn't going anywhere unless something really drastic happens.
The Wise Sages Of Loyalty Dispense The Information that we crave:
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Loyalty listens intently to said Wise Sages:
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Then questions what they actually hear…dissecting it and going over and over it in their collective minds…continuing to search for clues:
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This is Me…like all the time.

I’m thinking…How drastic?
Is the one of the 3 who doesn’t want the Texas job right, Indy?….and on and on and on….
 

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Man, I must be delusionally biased, but it really surprises me that a message board of diehard Illini fans has a sizable contingent willing to readily see Texas as a superior job - and not in 2017 when Groce was fired but in the season after a Big Ten Championship. The arguments you would use for Texas being better than Illinois would likely apply to Michigan, Syracuse, Arizona, etc., and I doubt any of those fan bases would expect to lose a coach to Texas.

- Is Austin, TX better than Champaign, IL? I mean, yes, overall. Some people prefer a traditional college town, some people don't. Even if we give this a clear UT advantage, Austin is better than Lexington, KY. It's better than Ann Arbor, MI. It's better than Lawrence, KS and Durham, NC. While it's a perk, I think it would be pretty far down the list ... coaches want to go somewhere where they will be supported (by the fan base and administration) enough to WIN.

- Are Texas' facilities better than Illinois'? I would lean yes, but I am honestly not sure. Everyone gushes over that new arena and I'm sure it's fantastic, but it seats like 10k people for God's sake. Ask your average college hoops coach if they'd rather coach at Ohio State's "state-of-the-art" arena or age-old Allen Fieldhouse at Kansas. State Farm Center has its own unique charm AND it's been recently updated, not to mention the recent practice facilities improvements. Whatever advantage Texas might have in facilities, it is NOT going to be a tipping point ... this isn't a situation where one school's are lacking and the other's provide what the coach has always wanted/needed.

- Does Texas have better instate recruiting than Illinois? Honestly not sure, but it would be close. Most lists I have found show that there are more current NBA players from IL than from TX, but the current 247 rankings have more Texas players in the top 100. So, again - the difference is negligible.

- Does Texas have more NIL money than Illinois? Absolutely yes. It looks like Texas has 570k living alumni to Illinois' 470k, and Texas' absolutely insane endowment of $42 billion dwarfs Illinois' of just under $4 billion (yes, I know that isn't directly related to sports, but it's a proxy for alumni giving, no?). I don't think anyone would deny Texas could buy a football team we'd never dream of, but with basketball? I mean, there are only so many players, and there has been ZERO indication that Illinois has been anything other than ahead of the curve in this regard, from Kofi to Shannon to Mayer. In other words, while UT might be even better, I am not under the impression that Brad has really faced any NIL-related obstacles here.

The other things a coach usually considers are STRONGLY in our favor, IMO.

- The fan support here will always dwarf Texas for hoops, I'm sorry ... you can show me one game on national TV where their new arena is packed, and I'll raise you a sold out SFC every night with the Krush there an hour early and Illini fans completely taking over Vegas.

- With regard to tradition, we also clear. While neither program has won a National Championship and Texas' tradition isn't bad, I think Illinois CLEARLY wins here. And while some might say tradition isn't as important anymore, I would argue it provides a track record for what can be accomplished. I don't think enough people appreciate this, but the John Groce Era was a COMPLETE aberration from Illini Basketball. We are one of the most self-sustaining programs in the entire country, there hasn't been this one legendary coach who WILLED us to be a winner:
--- 5 of the last 6 Illini coaches have won at least one Big Ten title.
--- 4 of the last 5 Illini coaches have gotten a #1 seed.
--- 3 of the last 5 Illini coaches have reached the Elite Eight.
--- Since the AP Poll became a thing (1940s), John Groce is the only coach to coach us more than one season and not finish in the AP top 25 ... like, that doesn't sound that crazy at first, but just think about that. Most of our coaches did it several times.
--- In summation, if you are a SEMI-competent recruiter and a half-decent coach, you'll field top 25 teams here, and you'll have the backing of a very large and very loyal fan base, even in the down years. That IS a draw for a lot of true basketball guys.

I understand us all having our cups on for stuff that happens on the court, as this really has been a fairly unlucky program over the years, especially in March ... but off the court?? We have only ever lost a coach to his absolute dream job at a Blue Blood where he had roots (does not apply to BU) and to the NBA, where EVERY program loses coaches. We could all use just a LITTLE bit of swagger here. None of this even mentions our true secret weapon, Josh Whitman. :cool: (y)
 
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#438      
Man, I must be delusionally biased, but it really surprises me that a message board of diehard Illini fans has a sizable contingent willing to readily see Texas as a superior job - and not in 2017 when Groce was fired but in the season after a Big Ten Championship. The arguments you would use for Texas being better than Illinois would likely apply to Michigan, Syracuse, Arizona, etc., and I doubt any of those fan bases would expect to lose a coach to Texas.

- Is Austin, TX better than Champaign, IL? I mean, yes, overall. Some people prefer a traditional college town, some people don't. Even if we give this a clear UT advantage, Austin is better than Lexington, KY. It's better than Ann Arbor, MI. It's better than Lawrence, KS and Durham, NC. While it's a perk, I think it would be pretty far down the list ... coaches want to go somewhere where they will be supported (by the fan base and administration) enough to WIN.

- Are Texas' facilities better than Illinois'? I would lean yes, but I am honestly not sure. Everyone gushes over that new arena and I'm sure it's fantastic, but it seats like 10k people for God's sake. Ask your average college hoops coach if they'd rather coach at Ohio State's "state-of-the-art" arena or age-old Allen Fieldhouse at Kansas. State Farm Center has its own unique charm AND it's been recently updated, not to mention the recent practice facilities improvements. Whatever advantage Texas might have in facilities, it is NOT going to be a tipping point ... this isn't a situation where one school's are lacking and the other's provide what the coach has always wanted/needed.

- Does Texas have better instate recruiting than Illinois? Honestly not sure, but it would be close. Most lists I have found show that there are more current NBA players from IL than from TX, but the current 247 rankings have more Texas players in the top 100. So, again - the difference is negligible.

- Does Texas have more NIL money than Illinois? Absolutely yes. It looks like Texas has 570k living alumni to Illinois' 470k, and Texas' absolutely insane endowment of $42 billion dwarfs Illinois' of just under $4 billion (yes, I know that isn't directly related to sports, but it's a proxy for alumni giving, no?). I don't think anyone would deny Texas could buy a football team we'd never dream of, but with basketball? I mean, there are only so many players, and there has been ZERO indication that Illinois has been anything other than ahead of the curve in this regard, from Kofi to Shannon to Mayer. In other words, while UT might be even better, I am not under the impression that Brad has really faced any NIL-related obstacles here.

The other things a coach usually considers are STRONGLY in our favor, IMO.

- The fan support here will always dwarf Texas for hoops, I'm sorry ... you can show me one game on national TV where their new arena is packed, and I'll raise you a sold out SFC every night with the Krush there an hour early and Illini fans completely taking over Vegas.

- With regard to tradition, we also clear. While neither program has won a National Championship and Texas' tradition isn't bad, I think Illinois CLEARLY wins here. And while some might say tradition isn't as important anymore, I would argue it provides a track record for what can be accomplished. I don't think enough people appreciate this, but the John Groce Era was a COMPLETE aberration from Illini Basketball. We are one of the most self-sustaining programs in the entire country, there hasn't been this one legendary coach who WILLED us to be a winner:
--- 5 of the last 6 Illini coaches have won at least one Big Ten title.
--- 4 of the last 5 Illini coaches have gotten a #1 seed.
--- 3 of the last 5 Illini coaches have reached the Elite Eight.
--- Since the AP Poll became a thing (1940s), John Groce is the only coach to coach us more than one season and not finish in the AP top 25 ... like, that doesn't sound that crazy at first, but just think about that. Most of our coaches did it several times.
--- In summation, if you are a SEMI-competent recruiter and a half-decent coach, you'll field top 25 teams here, and you'll have the backing of a very large and very loyal fan base, even in the down years. That IS a draw for a lot of true basketball guys.

I understand us all having our cups on for stuff that happens on the court, as this really has been a fairly unlucky program over the years, especially in March ... but off the court?? We have only ever lost a coach to his absolute dream job at a Blue Blood where he had roots (does not apply to BU) and to the NBA, where EVERY program loses coaches. We could all use just a LITTLE bit of swagger here. None of this even mentions our true secret weapon, Josh Whitman. :cool: (y)
You gotta think about how we as fans view Illinois….we tend to think everything is a little better here compared to how people in the industry and coaches view things. They view it largely through a job lens while we use our fans lens.
 
#439      

IlliniKat91

Chicago, IL
You gotta think about how we as fans view Illinois….we tend to think everything is a little better here compared to how people in the industry and coaches view things. They view it largely through a job lens while we use our fans lens.
Out of curiosity, how does the job lens stack up?

I don't know much about Texas' AD, but Whitman has proven he's willing to go to the mat for coaches a long as they hold up their end of the bargain with winning seasons. That seems like it would be a selling point for me.

What else is there? (Honestly asking)
 
#440      
You gotta think about how we as fans view Illinois….we tend to think everything is a little better here compared to how people in the industry and coaches view things. They view it largely through a job lens while we use our fans lens.
I think even through a job lens, Illinois is largely viewed in the same light as Maryland, no? Good-not-elite tradition but potential is there for an elite program with the right coach. And I think every coach thinks he's the right coach. :)
 
#442      
Austin Tx, TX can pay whatever they want. Also there are things behind the scenes in athletic departments that people don’t see.(not saying that anything is going on here) just a potential reason to want a fresh start somewhere
So, if nothing going on behind the scenes here then it would boil down to money only? I cant imagine that BU would leave for that reason only.
 
#443      
Out of curiosity, how does the job lens stack up?

I don't know much about Texas' AD, but Whitman has proven he's willing to go to the mat for coaches a long as they hold up their end of the bargain with winning seasons. That seems like it would be a selling point for me.

What else is there? (Honestly asking)
In the coaching industry Austin is looked at as a better place to be than Champaign.(Not by all but that would be the common answer among coaches). Del Conte is a big Brad fan too. That being said I if it really came down to it Josh wants Brad here and would pony up to keep him. Josh knows it's hard to win and you don't just let coaches who win leave.
 
#444      
In the coaching industry Austin is looked at as a better place to be than Champaign.(Not by all but that would be the common answer among coaches). Del Conte is a big Brad fan too. That being said I if it really came down to it Josh wants Brad here and would pony up to keep him. Josh knows it's hard to win and you don't just let coaches who win leave.
Is Brad a big Del Conte fan? (I am just asking...)
 
#445      

pruman91

Paducah, Ky
Out of curiosity, how does the job lens stack up?

I don't know much about Texas' AD, but Whitman has proven he's willing to go to the mat for coaches a long as they hold up their end of the bargain with winning seasons. That seems like it would be a selling point for me.

What else is there? (Honestly asking)
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University of Illinois overwhelmingly better all the way around...........
 
#446      
Really hope he stays, but I wouldn't be surprised to see him move on. Even though he's brought this program back to relevance, fans will want more. If no tourney runs in next couple years fans will have him on the hot seat. So he may want to move before that happens. Also, I think he could be looking for that fresh start.
 
#447      

redwingillini11

White and Sixth
North Aurora
Man, I must be delusionally biased, but it really surprises me that a message board of diehard Illini fans has a sizable contingent willing to readily see Texas as a superior job - and not in 2017 when Groce was fired but in the season after a Big Ten Championship. The arguments you would use for Texas being better than Illinois would likely apply to Michigan, Syracuse, Arizona, etc., and I doubt any of those fan bases would expect to lose a coach to Texas.

- Is Austin, TX better than Champaign, IL? I mean, yes, overall. Some people prefer a traditional college town, some people don't. Even if we give this a clear UT advantage, Austin is better than Lexington, KY. It's better than Ann Arbor, MI. It's better than Lawrence, KS and Durham, NC. While it's a perk, I think it would be pretty far down the list ... coaches want to go somewhere where they will be supported (by the fan base and administration) enough to WIN.

- Are Texas' facilities better than Illinois'? I would lean yes, but I am honestly not sure. Everyone gushes over that new arena and I'm sure it's fantastic, but it seats like 10k people for God's sake. Ask your average college hoops coach if they'd rather coach at Ohio State's "state-of-the-art" arena or age-old Allen Fieldhouse at Kansas. State Farm Center has its own unique charm AND it's been recently updated, not to mention the recent practice facilities improvements. Whatever advantage Texas might have in facilities, it is NOT going to be a tipping point ... this isn't a situation where one school's are lacking and the other's provide what the coach has always wanted/needed.

- Does Texas have better instate recruiting than Illinois? Honestly not sure, but it would be close. Most lists I have found show that there are more current NBA players from IL than from TX, but the current 247 rankings have more Texas players in the top 100. So, again - the difference is negligible.

- Does Texas have more NIL money than Illinois? Absolutely yes. It looks like Texas has 570k living alumni to Illinois' 470k, and Texas' absolutely insane endowment of $42 billion dwarfs Illinois' of just under $4 billion (yes, I know that isn't directly related to sports, but it's a proxy for alumni giving, no?). I don't think anyone would deny Texas could buy a football team we'd never dream of, but with basketball? I mean, there are only so many players, and there has been ZERO indication that Illinois has been anything other than ahead of the curve in this regard, from Kofi to Shannon to Mayer. In other words, while UT might be even better, I am not under the impression that Brad has really faced any NIL-related obstacles here.

The other things a coach usually considers are STRONGLY in our favor, IMO.

- The fan support here will always dwarf Texas for hoops, I'm sorry ... you can show me one game on national TV where their new arena is packed, and I'll raise you a sold out SFC every night with the Krush there an hour early and Illini fans completely taking over Vegas.

- With regard to tradition, we also clear. While neither program has won a National Championship and Texas' tradition isn't bad, I think Illinois CLEARLY wins here. And while some might say tradition isn't as important anymore, I would argue it provides a track record for what can be accomplished. I don't think enough people appreciate this, but the John Groce Era was a COMPLETE aberration from Illini Basketball. We are one of the most self-sustaining programs in the entire country, there hasn't been this one legendary coach who WILLED us to be a winner:
--- 5 of the last 6 Illini coaches have won at least one Big Ten title.
--- 4 of the last 5 Illini coaches have gotten a #1 seed.
--- 3 of the last 5 Illini coaches have reached the Elite Eight.
--- Since the AP Poll became a thing (1940s), John Groce is the only coach to coach us more than one season and not finish in the AP top 25 ... like, that doesn't sound that crazy at first, but just think about that. Most of our coaches did it several times.
--- In summation, if you are a SEMI-competent recruiter and a half-decent coach, you'll field top 25 teams here, and you'll have the backing of a very large and very loyal fan base, even in the down years. That IS a draw for a lot of true basketball guys.

I understand us all having our cups on for stuff that happens on the court, as this really has been a fairly unlucky program over the years, especially in March ... but off the court?? We have only ever lost a coach to his absolute dream job at a Blue Blood where he had roots (does not apply to BU) and to the NBA, where EVERY program loses coaches. We could all use just a LITTLE bit of swagger here. None of this even mentions our true secret weapon, Josh Whitman. :cool: (y)
That is a fine case in our favor, But its an entirely subjective thing, but if a given coach cares about certain things: money, NIL money, and location, and thinks those are the keys to winning a championship, then its by no means crazy to pick Texas over us. We are a more passionate and loyal fanbase, and Illinois has more basketball pedigree, but those things are not the only or even the key things about getting good players to come together and win a championship.

Also, we are talking about a world where Brad Calipari may leave Kentucky for Texas. It sounds like a crazy move to leave a top 3 job to go to a place where no one has won, but it may happen. Why? Because reasons.

Hopefully there are no behind-the-scenes reasons why BU would want to leave, and I hope his priorities align with what we have to offer. Certainly there is no reason to think there is as much burn out as with Calipari at Kentucky. But you never know.
 
#449      
Would love to take Dennis Gates from Mizzou and bring him home to Illinois. Thought Depaul would hire him, but they effed it up. Up and coming young coach IMHO.
 
#450      

Ransom Stoddard

Ordained Dudeist Priest
Bloomington, IL
Would love to take Dennis Gates from Mizzou and bring him home to Illinois. Thought Depaul would hire him, but they effed it up. Up and coming young coach IMHO.
Why in the world is anyone thinking about hiring a new coach? Brad's not getting fired, the chances of him leaving for an SEC team are probably pretty low, and we've got 3+ weeks of important basketball yet to play
 
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