Illinois Hoops Recruiting Thread

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Can we let things play out...please...these are big decisions these young men are making...this year was tough for all the freshman because of the super seniors....and I have a feeling that they might scan our posts occasionally...it can't be helpful to hear you are most likely to leave.
Well said & 100% agreed! And II'll admit that I've been guilty of this in some of the game threads where I would sometimes embarrass myself on here acting like some little wimpy /panicky chicken little .
From now on, I will go back to following my motto on how I usually act(in all situations of my life ) which features the three Cs (being calm, cool and collective at all times)
These young men are literally making very important decisions that will affect their life and I think a lot of us fans need to be more understanding /respectable towards their decisions.

Also I love our coaching staff led by Coach Brad Underwood. I know a lot of folks were let down by how we performed in the Big Dance but we were able to get a share of the BT title at least. I'm very confident and optimistic with the future of this program.

WE WILL WIN!
GO ILLINI! :illinois::shield::chief:
 
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Also, not gonna lie, fist bumping Brad as he entered the tunnel before the Iowa game was bucket list material.
I believe next year's team is destined for special things because of what we've seen the last five years. I gotta believe the recruits in play believe that too.
 
#1,878      
Based on the stats, I don't get the Jeremiah Williams recruitment compared to others already on the team. These numbers are while playing in the American conference where the median team is ranked ~100. For comparison, Minn was ranked 100 and Neb 117 on that scale.

Pro: Supposedly a great defender; I have not seen them play.
Pro: Good Assist/TO ratio
Pro: Simeon, Chi (connections)
Con: Terrible shooter. 63% free throws for a guard is outright terrifying. Teams can sag all day and clog the center. We have seen where this leads. It is pretty much a recipe to minimize Kofi's value.

GPMINFG%3P%FT%REBASTBLKSTLPFTOPTS
2021-22: 2231.241.723.163.23.54.30.71.41.42.29.5
2020-21:1632.643.432.464.63.64.10.31.22.11.99.3

The team that ended our season was not more talented than us. But beat us with length and defensive intensity. That's exactly what Williams brings.

BU also probably wants Epps or Skyy to earn their minutes, instead of being handed the keys from day 1. If they can beat out Williams, awesome! If they aren't ready yet, you still have a guy that can defend, facilitate, and score at the rim. That isn't anything fancy, but it gets the job done.

Also you conveniently left out his shooting almost 50% from 2 on 128 attempts. That's more than any guard on this year's team and he was injured for 3 weeks. It's exactly what this year's team was missing.
 
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Well said & 100% agreed! And II'll admit that I've been guilty of this in some of the game threads where I would sometimes embarrass myself on here acting like some little wimpy /panicky chicken little .
From now on, I will go back to following my motto on how I usually act(in all situations of my life ) which features the three Cs (being calm, cool and collective at all times)
These young men are literally making very important decisions that will affect their life and I think a lot of us fans need to be more understanding /respectable towards their decisions.

Also I love our coaching staff led by Coach Brad Underwood. I know a lot of folks were let down by how we performed in the Big Dance but we were able to get a share of the BT title at least. I'm very confident and optimistic with the future of this program.

WE WILL WIN!
GO ILLINI! :illinois::shield::chief:
Well said...
 
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Well I may not be doing back flips for him but on the other hand he does bring some Steven Bardo like traits to the PG position if called upon. He has size, can defend, care for the ball, and get to the bucket.. Plus hopefully surrounded by better players he could hit a higher percentage than 33 percent his freshman year from outside the arc. I don't know how good Temple was or the quality of the shots he took.
If he shot 80% free throws, and had a low shooting percentage, I'd wonder about the shot quality. When the free throws are under 65%? Then I'm concerned. BU has done very, very well. This one had me scratching my head.

Re: Shooting - You are right that it is 49% from 2pt range on ~6 2pt attempts per game. The 23% 3pt shooting brought down the overall number far enough that I missed that. With this data point, the recruitment makes a lot more sense. Thanks.

jrichisamazing: Please consider asking questions and providing data vs. making (false) accusations. Statement like "Did you miss that they shot 50% from 2pt range?" lead to much nicer conversations, than "you conveniently left out his shooting almost 50% from 2". (This approach goes a long way in real life too.)
 
#1,890      
The problem is Illinois doesn’t like kids transferring in for one year and graduations and getting a degree that says Illinois when they only spent a year here……it’s dumb.

I’m always “Team Illinois,” but don’t necessarily think this is dumb.

Another perspective: Say you go to a school like Illinois State (athlete or non-athlete) for 3 years and do well academically. You then transfer to an ivy league school like Harvard. Don’t know how likely that might be, but indulge me. If you graduate in 1 year, is it fair to call yourself a Harvard grad? Despite only attending 1 year? Obviously there are benefits to being a “Harvard grad.” That might help explain the logic for a rule like this one.
 
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I’m always “Team Illinois,” but don’t necessarily think this is dumb.

Another perspective: Say you go to a school like Illinois State (athlete or non-athlete) for 3 years and do well academically. You then transfer to an ivy league school like Harvard. Don’t know how likely that might be, but indulge me. If you graduate in 1 year, is it fair to call yourself a Harvard grad? Despite only attending 1 year? Obviously there are benefits to being a “Harvard grad.” That might help explain the logic for a rule like this one.
You’re right. It’s not ”dumb” for an institution of higher learning to have educational standards, regardless of how they might impact its extracurricular activities.

Some on here seem to forget that.
 
#1,892      
Think Curbelos down year hurt Payne more than anyone else on the team. Payne is a big that needs to play pnr with an elite guard and illinois had far from elite guard play atleast in terms of pnr.
I actually don't think it was Curbelo as much as it was the offensive and defensive schemes we ran were a poor fit for him as a player. He's a player who has a lot of athleticism but would struggle at times with his positioning, awareness, and off the ball movement. As such, he'll have a hard time dealing with man-to-man (both offense and defense) as he needs additional time and space to operate, so you almost need to build your offense and defense around him to accentuate his talents while limit the weaknesses.

To make it work on defense, you probably need to play him side by side with another 6'10" highly athletic big in some sort of 3-2 zone, split the court in half, have the big on the side where the ball is be the primary defender who's goal is to funnel the player to the secondary defender big for the block. Two of the guards should cover the wings to avoid the open 3, and the 3rd should creep down slightly from the top of the key to both decrease the passing lanes while still allowing time to contest the elbows. This forces teams into midrange jumpers or floaters, or they need movement off the ball to get to the elbows and free throw lines, otherwise they will be either running straight into the secondary big defender or forced into a difficult passing window. In theory you'd want quick big guards for this. On offense, for the 3 guards you'd be looking for 2-3 slasher types who can hit a three at a decent rate and be willing to kick it out to the open shooter if the defense collapses on them when they slash, lob it up to one of the bigs making a run to the basket or just throwing stuff up off the glass looking for one of the bigs to crash and put in the offensive rebound. The only issue with this is that based on what I saw from Omar is that he doesn't seem to have either the nose or awareness to move off the ball to the hoop to crash for offensive rebounds or make himself available for lobs unless it was a set play out of a timeout.

So the question now becomes, if that's a style of play that in theory could bring out Omar's strengths, could Underwood have installed something like that and my answer to that would be only partially. Basically, Kofi is not an optimal pairing with him so changing the overall team defense to 3-2 is just not going to happen. So instead you'd almost need to run 2 teams out there- your 1st team is man-to-man, and your 2nd team is 3-2 zone. Now you'd rather not spend time teaching 2 offensive and defensive philosophies to your entire team, so humorously you'd almost need to make full line changes like you'd see in hockey. Based on those requirements you're looking at something like:

Starters (Man): Kofi, Trent, Damonte, Jacob, Plummer/Curbelo/Goode
2nd team (Zone): Omar, Coleman, RJ, Curbelo, Podz/Plummer/Trent

Where Plummer is your offensive weapon you put in and say try your best on defense, Trent and Andre could probably play either though I wouldn't want to wear Trent out playing much zone. But is this even good enough? Zone will have some defensive issues for sure, you lose flexibility as you'd rather not waste time teaching both systems, and you basically have to run split practices, plus if you have injuries, how do you get players to fill into the new role on the fly?

All in all, this is just too much time spent on what would be your backup big and just too cute and inflexible to be beneficial. Simply put, Omar transferring is clearly the best option for both himself and the Illini as he's just not a good fit for an offense built around Kofi or playing man, and as such we're not a good fit for him either. Definitely makes sense he's leaving and hopefully he can find a better fit for his skillset.
 
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Not even going to get into if that even makes any sense but i really dont think you want to play zone. The 2 main defensive coverages in the NBA is drop and switching. imo you should want to build your program around those 2 so you can sell to recruits that you will get them ready to defend at an NBA level like they did with Ayo for example playing drop with Kofi
 
#1,894      
Not even going to get into if that even makes any sense but i really dont think you want to play zone. The 2 main defensive coverages in the NBA is drop and switching. imo you should want to build your program around those 2 so you can sell to recruits that you will get them ready to defend at an NBA level like they did with Ayo for example playing drop with Kofi
I don't disagree with you in saying zone isn't where you want to be. I was referring how one could specifically use Omar and I'm simply saying that I'm not sure any defense outside of zone and specifically something of the 3-2 or 1-2-2 variety would actually allow Omar to have the possibility of being a net positive player based on what he's shown in his collegiate career thus far. Quite frankly, drop and switch with Omar almost seems to do the opposite of trying to play to his strengths and hide his weaknesses- and I can't say I saw much of any evidence of that defense being a beneficial one for him as a player. As such, my opinion was he needs to play for a school that better suits his playstyle both on offense and defense, as Underwood would need to design an entirely new system for him just when he's on the court. Therefore, him transferring out is likely the best thing for him and Illinois. That said, I really think he needs to go somewhere that primarily plays zone for him to be effective defensively.
 
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Not every recruit has to be a lights out scorer/shooter. Defensive stoppers who stop those lights out shooters are just as important and it’s not like Williams can’t score. All do respect to J.Tate, he’s not him. Williams brings a little bit of everything. I like him.
 
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I played baseball and love it; it’s the purest sport, IMO. However, watching baseball on TV vs. being in the ballpark is the biggest disparity of any sport. The former requires near obsession with the game (pre-playoffs, anyway), but being there?? Man, not sure how you couldn’t enjoy that…

Watching baseball vs being there is definitely different but I'm a baseball guy so I do watch. It's slow enough that you can causally keep an eye on it while doing other things. I think the biggest disparity is watching hockey vs being at hockey. Whoa!!
 
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Don’t see them all ending up here. Don’t like the Creaning option…

I think all of us that were around 20 (or more) years ago, prefer the development option that was common in programs back in the day. But if we're keepin it real, that's not how things work today. And the beauty of it, is that it goes both ways --players aren't locked in to the program for the long term, and coaches aren't either.

If it were a one-way thing that applied to the athletes only, I'd have a hard time about it. But at the higher D1 programs, everyone knows how things works, and everyone has options. I can live with that. In some ways it brings more parity, but in other ways you see poaching.

So many posts! Not sure I'll ever catch up and I know you guys need to hear my opinions on everything :p
 
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