Illinois Hoops Recruiting Thread

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IndyIllini2 said:
I think they will still see what they can get, but having Ty run the point is the current plan and I believe he can do it. He is the hardest working kid on the team from what I have seen and heard, and no better guy to do the job at hand. It would be different if he had never run point before, he has.
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Where? Other than practices and a few spot minutes here and there, where has he run point? Maybe he can do it and I certainly will be ecstatic if he can, but I have seen no evidence at all that he has successfully run a team from the point guard position.
 
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BashCtIllini said:
you responded to someone saying if we can get Sean Miller. So he is pretty much baked into the cake with the post. It doesn't have to be Sean Miller just because Indy has sleepovers once a month in the Miller compound.

It could be Nate Oates, Jerome Tang, Dan Hurley, Scott Drew, Eric Musselman, etc. I'm not saying any of these guys are legitimate options. I'm just saying Brad Underwood is a very good coach, but he is not the best coach in the nation. If you can get someone with an objectively better career record, viewed objectively by people outside of our fanbase as a better coach, then yes, doing it is a positive for your program. It's a positive for the program a year early, a year late, or right on time.

Just because someone improved your program doesn't give you a lifetime contract. That really makes no sense. And obviously, you don't fire someone who isn't killing your program without having an agreement in principle first. I think we can give Whitman that much credit. Oh and we aren't a program that can poach a coach, how do you think Underwood got here in the first place?
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This issue with the guys you're point out are that I don't necessarily think Illinois is a step up for them. We're not a blue blood that is able to poach nearly anyone.

Scott Drew is simply not leaving Baylor. I like Underwood but if Musselman is an actual option I would drop Underwood in a heartbeat. Oats is also likely a better option.

Miller is probably the most reasonable get because he's at Xavier and he's probably a better recruiter and definitely has more success but I'm not as sold as him as I am on Oats or Muss.

Brad has had a good amount of success and if they decide to move on them they better make sure they're getting a coach of that quality.
 
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Kendall Gill’s Uncle said:
How much do you donate?
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WyattEarp said:
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A bunch of biased opinions:

* Indiana, I definitely agree. Indiana isn’t Duke…like they like to think they are. Which is sorta like we aren’t Indiana…but we like we like to think we are. (Historical Resume based here)
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If not for the actions of 3 of our own men; we'd be superior to IU in basketball. A former assistant AD Mel Brewer did by far the most damage. Mike Slive comes in second, followed by Bruce Weber.
 
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destindog said:
I am sure BU did all he could have done to get Ray J but sometimes that is not enough. Maybe Dennis did not want to be scoring option number three. After all, he waited until Shannon and Hawkins confirmed they were coming back and then he announced for Baylor. He might have been fine being option two but not three. Just like anyone else, the kid is going to do what he thinks is best for him and his future.
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I understand that logic but why is Underwood getting all the blame?
 
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Johnny Lawrence

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BashCtIllini said:
you responded to someone saying if we can get Sean Miller. So he is pretty much baked into the cake with the post. It doesn't have to be Sean Miller just because Indy has sleepovers once a month in the Miller compound.

It could be Nate Oates, Jerome Tang, Dan Hurley, Scott Drew, Eric Musselman, etc. I'm not saying any of these guys are legitimate options. I'm just saying Brad Underwood is a very good coach, but he is not the best coach in the nation. If you can get someone with an objectively better career record, viewed objectively by people outside of our fanbase as a better coach, then yes, doing it is a positive for your program. It's a positive for the program a year early, a year late, or right on time.

Just because someone improved your program doesn't give you a lifetime contract. That really makes no sense. And obviously, you don't fire someone who isn't killing your program without having an agreement in principle first. I think we can give Whitman that much credit. Oh and we aren't a program that can poach a coach, how do you think Underwood got here in the first place?
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While the bold isn’t wrong, objectively, I don’t think that any of coaches you mentioned would leave their current situations for UIUC. Especially when setting the precedent of a short leash.

Edit: Pepe beat me to it
 
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fulton steamer said:
Where? Other than practices and a few spot minutes here and there, where has he run point? Maybe he can do it and I certainly will be ecstatic if he can, but I have seen no evidence at all that he has successfully run a team from the point guard position.
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Does high school count for you?
 
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WyattEarp

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nichi said:
If not for the actions of 3 of our own men; we'd be superior to IU in basketball. A former assistant AD Mel Brewer did by far the most damage. Mike Slive comes in second, followed by Bruce Weber.
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Well, there’s certainly no way of knowing. Total wins you might have an argument.

Post season totals…I kinda doubt it…even if we hypothetically revise history.

The perfect season in ‘76 alone. It’s pretty hard to replicate perfect. I know it’s one season; but that’s like shooting a bullet with a bullet. Lol. Okay maybe not, but you get what I’m saying.
 
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BashCtIllini

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Johnny Lawrence said:
While the bold isn’t wrong, objectively, I don’t think any of these coaches mentioned would leave their current situations for UIUC. Especially when setting the precedent of a short leash.
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That point is simply, there are better coaches out there. With the possible exception of when we had Bill Self, there are always better coaches out there.

My only point was to say, if you can get a better coach, and the scenario presented was Sean Miller, then that is a good thing for your program to get a better coach, even if your current coach isn't performing badly. This should not be a controversial statement.

I'm not saying it will happen. But it's June and we've got nothing else to talk about. It's June and the talk at the moment really means nothing. I think it's pretty simple, if Underwood has a worse season that last year, he's gone. If he has a better season than last year he's fine. If he has the same season as last year, only Whitman knows.
 
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So 5th in the B1G and a 9 seed is an unacceptable decline in results. Did anyone notice UNC last year, or Kentucky (keeping only 3 players this year). The bluebloods are having difficulty in this environment. If 5th and a 9 seed is the floor, there is nothing to lament here about BU. Sure we all want an NC, but $h1t happens. It is how you respond. If BU makes the decision to roll with whom we have on the roster right now, it is his job that is on the line. So maybe we should understand that he is looking to culture not talent as much. He learned that last year. We have TSJ, Coleman, Guerrier and Domask that are all going to be looking to score, and maybe should add in Dainja as well. Adding another guy that is going to be looking to get his to impress pro scouts may not be a good idea. I really doubt Toussaint would seriously consider us being from Iowa - he is about the only one that is good enough and might fit. It is also going to be hard to get the Fr. and So. enough tick. Add another player and it is going to be harder. Guess I don't see this as such a failure on BUs part. There is some silver lining to what has gone down such that I don't see it as a major failure.
TSJ seems to think highly of Ty's abilities so maybe we will see a jump.
Guess I am in the "In Brad we trust" group.
 
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