Jalen Coleman-Lands to transfer

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illinitiger

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icengineer said:
What was JCL's ATR?

Nevermind, I looked it up, 34 assists to 35 turnovers for .97 ATR. Not enough of a difference for that to be something used to argue your case. Add in the fact that Alstork ppg was 10+ higher then JCL and it's really a no-brainer. What you'd 'rather see' doesn't guarantee it would happen. I think the likelyhood of Alstork having a great season next year are much higher then JCL's. Anyways, I don't think this was forced on JCL. I think he just decided he'd be happier somewhere else. Too many posters are acting like JCL was creaned. There's no evidence to support that yet.
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Alstork is not our savior and JCL wasnt creaned. I would have loved to see JCL finish as an Illini. Strongly disagree with the narrative ...'no biggie, he wasnt that important to us'. Losing JCL is a big loss. He was an excellent student athlete and the Illini staff failed to develop him as an athlete to his fullest potential. Just an exclamation point on the programs failings over the last few years in developing players and succeeding as a program.

Finally, I like Alstork, and I overplayed the ATR, but I think he may be a little overhyped on this board and he does come with flaws that our staff should be resposible to work out, like 4+ turnovers a game.
 
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westms77

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IlliniForTheWin said:
It is not a positive. Losing JCL hurts our team. The illini fandom is trying to somehow spin this in a positive light when it is the opposite. Great player, great student and person we have lost here. :(
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Absolutely....Transitions are hard. I wish him nothing but the best. Great kid....That being said I really wish we would have been able to seen him develop the rest of his game. That was my long standing complaint with the previous staff.
 
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Andy Kaufman

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Personally, I was looking forward to seeing JCL put it all together in the upcoming season. Good luck with basketball and academics in the future.
 
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Calvin

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ballislife17 said:
Wow, a lot of negativity in here.
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Well, we just lost a highly rated starter that represented us well, and could have given us depth. We don't know what he could have been with development of his handles, defense, and off-ball movement, but it's not hard to imagine a high ceiling with some focused development. Also, while he wasn't known as a dribble drive player, I think Underwood would have helped him there a ton because of the way his system opens up space, especially for a shooter.

ballislife17 said:
A lot of bashing JCL. A lot of people trying to spin this as positive. A lot of people trying to make themselves feel better. :tsk:
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+1 and glad to see it posted. I don't get why people feel entitled to criticize him, personally. I haven't walked a mile in his shoes, and if I did, I'm sure it would make sense.
 
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If JCL doesn't want to be at UI, then he doesn't want to be at UI.

I expected the 'fit' issue to come up with a new basketball coach. Both on-court style and coaching personality/chemistry. Both sides have to agree that it's a good fit. Both sides didn't agree.

The 'Why' exists but very few on this board likely know and they're not saying. (Good).
 
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FiveStar

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Big Jack said:
I believe the negativity is well deserved IMHO. I don't see this as a positive for the team as he was a very talented player and from all accounts a great representative of the university and his family. However my mind says he is a quitter. He quit on his team mates and this great university to find a better fit for himself. It was all about him and not about the institution he committed to play at when he signed his LOI.

Hope he finds the right fit for himself but never will I mention his name as being a player at the U of I again.
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So you've never done anything in the best interests of you and/or your family? Look at you superstar.
 
#132      

IlliniDent

IlliniDent
Chicago, IL
IlliniDent
Calvin said:
Well, we just lost a highly rated starter that represented us well, and could have given us depth. We don't know what he could have been with development of his handles, defense, and off-ball movement, but it's not hard to imagine a high ceiling with some focused development. Also, while he wasn't known as a dribble drive player, I think Underwood would have helped him there a ton because of the way his system opens up space, especially for a shooter.



+1 and glad to see it posted. I don't get why people feel entitled to criticize him, personally. I haven't walked a mile in his shoes, and if I did, I'm sure it would make sense.
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Agreed, however I think he meant negativity toward JCL more than negativity about losing him, but I could be wrong
 
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ballislife17

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IlliniDent said:
Agreed, however I think he meant negativity toward JCL more than negativity about losing him, but I could be wrong
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Yeah, obviously this isn't good news, it just seems like everyone and their uncle is ready to talk about how bad of a dribbler he is all of a sudden [emoji19]


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#134      

Mike

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Mike
IlliniForTheWin said:
It is not a positive. Losing JCL hurts our team. The illini fandom is trying to somehow spin this in a positive light when it is the opposite. Great player, great student and person we have lost here. :(
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Yeah, I think so too. Had a low defensive ceiling, but could have developed into a great spot shooter. Seemed like a smart and high class guy.

The world is not over illini basketball wise though. In BU's "all positions are interchangeable" system, the pain of losing him is considerably lessened imho. He has an NBA caliber shot perhaps, but is also subpar in other multiple areas.
 
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Illini4life04

Illini4life04
Illini4life04
illinitiger said:
Alstork is not our savior and JCL wasnt creaned. I would have loved to see JCL finish as an Illini. Strongly disagree with the narrative ...'no biggie, he wasnt that important to us'. Losing JCL is a big loss. He was an excellent student athlete and the Illini staff failed to develop him as an athlete to his fullest potential. Just an exclamation point on the programs failings over the last few years in developing players and succeeding as a program.

Finally, I like Alstork, and I overplayed the ATR, but I think he may be a little overhyped on this board and he does come with flaws that our staff should be resposible to work out, like 4+ turnovers a game.
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JCL always had one foot out the door, so you are correct, he wasn't creaned
 
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ChiefIllini

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ballislife17 said:
Yeah, obviously this isn't good news, it just seems like everyone and their uncle is ready to talk about how bad of a dribbler he is all of a sudden
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People complained about his dribbling ability (or lack there of) all of last season. There's nothing new. He was extremely one dimensional. That was an amazing dimension and in today's game, probably one of the most important, but even shooting at .380, he needed more moves then a shot fake slide step to be a truly important piece.

That being said, he is a great weapon and I think he would've thrived in BU's system, just because he'd be around possibly 3 other guards at times. BU would've found a way to make his shot more effective. Anyone who thinks we aren't losing a major player is wrong. He could've easily got 20+ mins a game. I think if he goes to another high major, you'll see him shoot above 40% from deep his two remaining years.
 
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CoalCity

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St Paul, MN
CoalCity
ChiefIllini said:
People complained about his dribbling ability (or lack there of) all of last season. There's nothing new. He was extremely one dimensional. That was an amazing dimension and in today's game, probably one of the most important, but even shooting at .380, he needed more moves then a shot fake slide step to be a truly important piece.

That being said, he is a great weapon and I think he would've thrived in BU's system, just because he'd be around possibly 3 other guards at times. BU would've found a way to make his shot more effective. Anyone who thinks we aren't losing a major player is wrong. He could've easily got 20+ mins a game. I think if he goes to another high major, you'll see him shoot above 40% from deep his two remaining years.
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While the guy he's supposed to be guarding shoots 60%...
 
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MakesNoSense

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MakesNoSense
Big Jack said:
I believe the negativity is well deserved IMHO. I don't see this as a positive for the team as he was a very talented player and from all accounts a great representative of the university and his family. However my mind says he is a quitter. He quit on his team mates and this great university to find a better fit for himself. It was all about him and not about the institution he committed to play at when he signed his LOI.

Hope he finds the right fit for himself but never will I mention his name as being a player at the U of I again.
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He didn't quit on anybody. But please proceed with your self righteous rant.
 
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kcib8130

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Big Jack said:
I believe the negativity is well deserved IMHO. I don't see this as a positive for the team as he was a very talented player and from all accounts a great representative of the university and his family. However my mind says he is a quitter. He quit on his team mates and this great university to find a better fit for himself. It was all about him and not about the institution he committed to play at when he signed his LOI.

Hope he finds the right fit for himself but never will I mention his name as being a player at the U of I again.
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#142      

Thor015

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Thor015
Kate Upton dumped me last week, but honestly.....her shampoo smell was weird and I wasn't a big fan of her toes. I'm better off.


PS I don't think JCL dumped us per say, but let's not act like him leaving improves our team.
 
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IlliniinIowa

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ballislife17 said:
Wow, a lot of negativity in here. A lot of bashing JCL. A lot of people trying to spin this as positive. A lot of people trying to make themselves feel better. :tsk:
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There is no way to spin this as positive news. JCL is an elite shooter. We need elite shooters. Underwood 'so offense needs elite shooters and losing one is not positive news. Don't know what's going on?
 
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Tribe88

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I think its both good and bad. It's bad because we lost a player highly skilled in one particular area that will surely be missed. It's good because its one more step in developing a culture of toughness. There were a lot of times when JCL would dog it, and let people fly passed him. This is coming from a JCL fan so I'm trying to play this fair. For far too long, the illini have consistently come out and let other teams dictate the style of play. More times than not the other team looks more aggressive than us. I think personnel has a lot to do with this, and guys like DJ and JCL know that their personalities aren't going to mesh with BU and his style of play.
 
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Centennial Illini

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Centennial Illini
Lets try this again.

Players want to play.

He looked at the all the guard recruits, his strengths and shortcomings in Underwoods system, the way his sophomore year trended, playing time at other schools where he has contacts, and decided that somewhere else gave him a better opportunity to achieve his dreams.

That is what is going, there is no conspiracy. It happens all the time.

Hasn't anyone here ever changed jobs because the new one offered more of you want.

Best of luck JCL
 
#148      

FiveStar

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FiveStar
Big Jack said:
No I am not a superstar and yes I have done thinks for me and my family and along with that suffered the consequences for my actions. However this is a public message board and we are all entitled to speak our peace and except the blow back. I stand by my words and am not alone.
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You chose to outright bash a college kid for making a decision he felt was best for himself, because it didn't mesh well with your personal feelings. Consequences such as being bashed by a nobody on a message board are not actual consequences. They're created by you to make yourself feel better. At this point, there have literally been no school/basketball consequences relating to JCL and his decision. Examples of actual consquences would be: sitting out a year when enrolls at his new school, potential changes in academic situation due to changing schools, losing more than he did at Illinois depending on where he ends up, needing to be in school an extra year should he desire to exhaust his eligibility. Again, bashing him based on your personal feelings is not a consequence.
 
#149      

Johnny Lawrence

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Adnarel said:
JCL's Illinois legacy will be a note in the record book. I'm sorry we don't get to see him as an upperclassman. I bet the rest of the Big 10 is somewhat relieved.
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I bet the rest of the Big 10 doesn't even notice. This is basically the equivalent of Jack Mcveigh transferring from Nebraska.
 
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3 point girl

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texas
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JCL didnt want to put in the work "here" to become a better defender, a better ball handler, & a better finisher at the rim for the fighting illini. That is truth. What he does from now on is not my concern. I will not waste one minute of thought about his basketball game wherever he goes.