Curbelo doesn’t do too much of the wild passes and crazy shots. 80% or better of the time he is great. He had really bad games this year but I think that was more concussion related. My only big problem with him is the 3’s he takes at inopportune times. He can’t hit the broad side of a barn. In these big games I wish he would forgo that shot. The kid was phenomenal last year. He was phenomenal tonight.
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Thank you for that logical response. Teams with way more talent than us lose at home (how many McDonald's AAs do Duke, Kentucky, Alabama, Michigan, Memphis, et al have?! -- we have zero!). Baylor was #1 in the country and lost twice in a week at home. The great Tom Izzo lost at home to lowly Northwestern.That's it, wow ok. Just that simple. Maybe Baylor, Purdue, Michigan St. UCLA, USC and Duke should win their home games too.
We have some idiotic hard-!!! fans who are always looking to badmouth the team, the players, and/or the coach. Today was a gutsy performance against a top 5 team with very one-sided officiating.
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My complaint with reffing today is huge disparity in calls when two teams are evenly matched. This disparity led to Illinois' best player missing 31 minutes of action.
These calls also killed multiple Illini comebacks. But these calls or no calls late in the gane were unexplainable.
Damonte being pushed to the floor following Kofi's two missed shots.
Verdonk getting hacked from behind by Ebby on his dunk attempt.
Ebby diving on Curbelo on the ground forced Curbelo to throw ball out of bounds.
Sascha kicking his leg out and getting 3 foul shots.
These were late calls/no calls that changed the game.
These calls also killed multiple Illini comebacks. But these calls or no calls late in the gane were unexplainable.
Damonte being pushed to the floor following Kofi's two missed shots.
Verdonk getting hacked from behind by Ebby on his dunk attempt.
Ebby diving on Curbelo on the ground forced Curbelo to throw ball out of bounds.
Sascha kicking his leg out and getting 3 foul shots.
These were late calls/no calls that changed the game.
Seemed often curbelo didn't start as point in offense today...but often 1st or 2d pass. Kinda like Ayo last year...often better not bringing ball up, but getting ball when he was moving
That's what I'm saying dawg. Curbelo's dribble drive is EXACTLY what this team was missing. Provided he doesn't have any more setbacks this team has scary potential
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I hear you regarding current data points. It's funny about home conference losses, however. I went back and looked over many seasons (back to the early '80s). When we have finished at the top of the conference or in the top third, it was rare for us to lose more than one game at home, and even then that loss was almost always by a razor-thin margin, and sometimes in OT. When we missed sharing the title two seasons ago by a razor-thin margin we lost twice at home in BT play (consecutive games). Same last year (to MD and OSU, consecutive games). Losing to Purdue at home: not ideal but not fatal. Winning the remainder at home, however, seems important for title aspirations.
[EDIT: I'll qualify this by noting that we have what seems to me to be an unusually favorable road schedule this year, so perhaps we can stumble at home and it won't knock us out of contention. I'd rather not consider that possibility, however
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The initial reaction may be that they dominated us at the center position... However, their center duo took 32 shots in order to score 34 points. The rest of Purdue took 36 shots to score 62 points. Our inability to stop their guards without fouling them was a big difference maker, and should be a point of emphasis in the rematch.
Biggest one to me, and it’s been mentioned before, on the broken play where Belo found Plummer under the basket to tie the game, Plummer was clearly bumped on his layup. Should have been an and 1.
Not shocked BU turned to BBV. Seems like all year for backup 5, he’s turned to Payne when we’ve needed rim protection and BBV when we’ve needed beef. And Payne’s flagrant/technical probably put him in the doghouse the rest of the game. Too bad. Was hoping Payne would help contain their bigs, and he did with Williams to an extent, but he doesn’t seem to have the mindset to play physically. Credit to BBV though. Kid absolutely played his guts out.
Great game. This and the AZ game felt like elite 8 games, which may be this team’s ceiling. Took both AZ and PU’s best shot and barely lost.
But I think we have another gear. Imagine if it’s Kofi or Payne running those actions with Belo instead of BBV. And I’m guessing BU will continue to add wrinkles out of that action to get open looks for our shooters.
Just like we were a different team from when we were in KC to when we played AZ, I think we will be a different team next time we play PU. Will switch from primarily a 4 out offense back into our ball screen heavy offense we had to begin the year. And I think CH may be an X factor for us next game. I don’t think they really have anyone that can match up with him.
Looking forward to watching the team grow with Belo! Go Illini!
I’ll remember this the next time I’m on the floor, which will be never.In every athletic contest, the reality is you have no control over calls by officials. You only control your own effort. Sorry. Coach speak.
I don’t have a problem with Underwood’s measured response to this because he has to manage his players’ behavior (and the league office). I have a special kind of contempt that I withhold for parents who ride officials during youth league games. None of that matters when it comes to me as a fan feeling aggrieved about the officiating at a major sporting event.
Hope he practices 3 times before Friday
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Ok, this is the last thing I'll say about the refs (I'm lying) ( and maybe a little drunk).
For those of you (you know who you are) arguing for the referees....you are saying that they are "human" and "make mistakes"....then saying that fouls are fouls or "fouls call themselves" and that referees have no impact on the outcome.
So you are essentially contradicting yourselves while trying to make an impossible argument.
Furthermore, let the record show that even if you take 2 fouls away from Kofi and maybe one away from Payne...while giving an extra 3 fouls divided however you like between Edey and Williams, (refs are human, mistakes..blah blah), this puts Kofi on the floor for many more minutes in the second half (which Illinois won BTW) and reduces Edey and Williams minutes in that same half.
Note that those 3 fouls don't statistically "even" things up...so in essence...the referees could have potentially made even more mistakes.....thus impacting the game even more than I'm suggesting with these measly 3 fouls.
It is unimpeachable logic that this had an undeniable impact on this game. It's beyond any logical argument to think that more Kofi minutes minus fewer Edey/Williams minutes does not change the outcome of this game.
Not even mentioning that Edey or Williams playing with 3 or 4 fouls...like Kofi...COMPLETELY changes the way they play the rest of the game.
If you are arguing for the refs....your argument is illogical and based on contradiction.
If you are arguing against the refs...you argument is based on concrete facts and logic, as admitted by the opposing argument. (refs are human and make mistakes).
For those of you (you know who you are) arguing for the referees....you are saying that they are "human" and "make mistakes"....then saying that fouls are fouls or "fouls call themselves" and that referees have no impact on the outcome.
So you are essentially contradicting yourselves while trying to make an impossible argument.
Furthermore, let the record show that even if you take 2 fouls away from Kofi and maybe one away from Payne...while giving an extra 3 fouls divided however you like between Edey and Williams, (refs are human, mistakes..blah blah), this puts Kofi on the floor for many more minutes in the second half (which Illinois won BTW) and reduces Edey and Williams minutes in that same half.
Note that those 3 fouls don't statistically "even" things up...so in essence...the referees could have potentially made even more mistakes.....thus impacting the game even more than I'm suggesting with these measly 3 fouls.
It is unimpeachable logic that this had an undeniable impact on this game. It's beyond any logical argument to think that more Kofi minutes minus fewer Edey/Williams minutes does not change the outcome of this game.
Not even mentioning that Edey or Williams playing with 3 or 4 fouls...like Kofi...COMPLETELY changes the way they play the rest of the game.
If you are arguing for the refs....your argument is illogical and based on contradiction.
If you are arguing against the refs...you argument is based on concrete facts and logic, as admitted by the opposing argument. (refs are human and make mistakes).
painter very complimentary of our team and especially trent, belo and BBV. hard not to like the guy. said we will be a hard out in the tourney and that we are a very similar team to PU
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As an Illini fan at the Marquette game, this game far far exceeded what I thought the ceiling was for this team. I’m damn proud of how we fought and how much we’ve grown. Our trajectory is pointed so high, right before our eyes. You blend in Curbelo set plays and I think this is a different ballgame. We are going to be very tournament ready, after a few more of these heavy weight bouts. Rest easy Illini faithful.
so then its a no call...and damonte was the primary defender, which means you can be in the restricted area and have an offensive called in your favor. i dont think it was an O foul either, just a bail out BS call that we werent getting on the other side.
THIS. Officiating didn’t do the Illini any favors, but Kofi has to play a little smarter. As to the discrepancy of fouls among Illini and Purdue bugs, without Kofi there was no inside presence to pick up fouls. As well as BBV and Payne played, they aren’t gonna force fouls when they’re on offense.
It was just a very fun game to watch. Illini played tough. Hopefully Kofi can use this game as motivation for the next time the teams meet. And great to see Andre back. Team can now concentrate on getting better and coming together as a team.
Fun fact, not all teams foul at exactly the same rate nor are all fouls shooting fouls/in the bonus. So a FT disparity doesn't automatically equate to totally garbage officiating. And are you saying we SHOULD get home cookin' from the refs on our floor? What garbage is that? They should be impartial no matter the court.
Also If you think we got hosed by these refs, Michigan fans had a better argument for getting hosed by them on Friday...
I wasn't referring to literally averaging out fouls/FTs... They started to let quite a bit go as the game went on and we got our own ticky-tack fouls on Purdue. They had some bad calls both ways and maybe a hair slightly not in our favor, but I think a lot of people are over-selling the refs being the largest reason we lost.
Big ten refs allow far too much physicality which means a foul can be called on every possession, it is all too subjective. This has been mentioned many times but this ultimately hurts the big ten in the tournament.
I used to get very upset by officiating but now have just come to accept it. The best thing a team can do is not get upset with officiating and just move on, no pouting or pleading, just move on as it is not going to change.
I used to get very upset by officiating but now have just come to accept it. The best thing a team can do is not get upset with officiating and just move on, no pouting or pleading, just move on as it is not going to change.
Ok, this is the last thing I'll say about the refs (I'm lying) ( and maybe a little drunk).
For those of you (you know who you are) arguing for the referees....you are saying that they are "human" and "make mistakes"....then saying that fouls are fouls or "fouls call themselves" and that referees have no impact on the outcome.
So you are essentially contradicting yourselves while trying to make an impossible argument.
Furthermore, let the record show that even if you take 2 fouls away from Kofi and maybe one away from Payne...while giving an extra 3 fouls divided however you like between Edey and Williams, (refs are human, mistakes..blah blah), this puts Kofi on the floor for many more minutes in the second half (which Illinois won BTW) and reduces Edey and Williams minutes in that same half.
Note that those 3 fouls don't statistically "even" things up...so in essence...the referees could have potentially made even more mistakes.....thus impacting the game even more than I'm suggesting with these measly 3 fouls.
It is unimpeachable logic that this had an undeniable impact on this game. It's beyond any logical argument to think that more Kofi minutes minus fewer Edey/Williams minutes does not change the outcome of this game.
Not even mentioning that Edey or Williams playing with 3 or 4 fouls...like Kofi...COMPLETELY changes the way they play the rest of the game.
If you are arguing for the refs....your argument is illogical and based on contradiction.
If you are arguing against the refs...you argument is based on concrete facts and logic, as admitted by the opposing argument. (refs are human and make mistakes).
Hadn’t heard he had the flu. Good to know. I was surprised to not see him on Ivey too. Explains a lot.
Reminds me slightly of the OSU game we dropped at home last year. (Which we lost immediately after dropping one against Maryland at home!). We lost one B10 game the rest of the way after that. We had five losses at that point in the season (including a putrid Mizzou loss) and three B10 losses (Rutgers, OSU, MD.)
Bottom line, a year later we are 13-4, have no bad losses, are ranked, are top 12 in NET and most other advanced analytics, and we still have no idea what the ceiling looks like because our preseason all B10 pg exited the lineup for two months right when our preseason all B10 center was returning to it. We are actually in a better position this season than we were at the same time last year from a resume standpoint despite some roster altering setbacks. That’s incredible. Let’s rip off 4 straight and then take the state of Indiana the two after that.
Bottom line, a year later we are 13-4, have no bad losses, are ranked, are top 12 in NET and most other advanced analytics, and we still have no idea what the ceiling looks like because our preseason all B10 pg exited the lineup for two months right when our preseason all B10 center was returning to it. We are actually in a better position this season than we were at the same time last year from a resume standpoint despite some roster altering setbacks. That’s incredible. Let’s rip off 4 straight and then take the state of Indiana the two after that.
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Painter sounded very knowledgeable and gave effort in answering questions (not like Fran the Hawks coach). He seems like a real class guy, as he complimented our team
That game was a crazy double OT thriller. Kudos to Purdue for getting the W. We threw everything and the kitchen sink at them but they won in the end. Hopefully we return the favor when we visit Mackey and beat them there.
Also even though we lost, how awesome was it to see our boy Curbelo out there?! I'm glad he's doing well.
Let's regroup and take down the teenage mutant turtles in Maryland. LETS GO ILLINI!
Also even though we lost, how awesome was it to see our boy Curbelo out there?! I'm glad he's doing well.
Let's regroup and take down the teenage mutant turtles in Maryland. LETS GO ILLINI!
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